Am Fr., 4. Aug. 2023 um 12:53 Uhr schrieb Brian Wolff <bawo...@gmail.com>:
> > Our understanding is that renaming extensions in MediaWiki is a long > and complicated process, so we'll likely not be able to rename it in the > foreseeable future. > > Why? > > Renaming is usually a bad thing because it often confuses the hell out of > users, but from a technical perspective it is pretty trivial. > Renaming an extension that's deployed to production is basically impossible. e.g. attempt of renaming Extension:Flow to StructuredDiscussions. Basically the only viable option is to undeploy the extension, rename the extension, and deploy it again. > -- > Bawolff > > On Friday, August 4, 2023, Luca Toscano <ltosc...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > >> Hi Amir! >> >> Answering inline: >> >> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 10:11 PM Amir E. Aharoni < >> amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote: >> >>> >>> The email says that "All ML models currently accessible on ORES are also >>> currently accessible on Lift Wing", and if I understand correctly, this >>> means that this feature in Recent Changes will keep working. Do I >>> understand correctly? :) >>> >> >> Definitely yes, we are working on migrating the ORES extension to Lift >> Wing, without any change required for users. The tracking task is >> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T319170. At the moment all wikis with >> the ORES extension enabled, except fi/en/wikidata, are already using models >> from Lift Wing. >> >> >>> In addition, I have some followup questions: >>> >>> 1. The MediaWiki extension that implements the frontend in Recent >>> Changes is itself named "ORES". It's an internal name that isn't seen much >>> by wiki editors except if they go to Special:Version or to translatewiki. >>> Nevertheless, as the time goes by, seeing the old name may start getting >>> weird. So what's the plan about it? Will this extension remain as is? Will >>> it be renamed? Will it be replaced with a new frontend extension in the >>> foreseeable future? >>> >> >> This is a good question and we don't have a definitive answer at the >> moment. Our understanding is that renaming extensions in MediaWiki is a >> long and complicated process, so we'll likely not be able to rename it in >> the foreseeable future. We would definitely like to add more models to RC >> Filters, for example Revert Risk (for the curious, see >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Machine_learning_models/Proposed/Language-agnostic_revert_risk), >> but we are not sure yet if it is worth to create a new extension or just to >> expand the ORES one. We'll get back to this list as soon as we have a >> better plan :) >> >> >>> 2. Back when ORES was originally developed and deployed around 2017, >>> several wiki editors' communities participated in the development by >>> adapting the product to the needs of their wikis and languages by >>> translating the ORES extension's user interface and, more importantly, by >>> labelling a sample of several thousands of diffs from their wiki using the >>> Wikilabels tool. The communities that did that whole process were, more or >>> less, the communities to which this Recent Changes enhancement was >>> deployed. Will anything like that have to be done again along with the move >>> away from ORES? >>> >> >> The first goal of Lift Wing is to provide a more modern and easy-to-use >> infrastructure to host models at the WMF, for internal teams and for the >> community. The focus of the Machine Learning team is to provide >> infrastructure to run models on, so other teams and the community will be >> able to propose what to host and we'll vet what is possible and what not >> (following strict criteria like security of data and PII, model >> architecture feasibility, etc..). Once a model is deployed on Lift Wing, >> there will be a team or a community group owning it, namely responsible for >> its development in terms of features etc.. (more info in >> https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Machine_Learning/LiftWing#Hosting_a_model >> ). >> To summarize: >> * All the work done so far with ORES models will be preserved, it is >> already available on Lift Wing and anybody can use it. We hope that it is >> now easier to play with model servers and improve them (for WMF and the >> community), but we are open to any suggestion and feedback about how to >> improve it. For the curious, more details in the Lift Wing Wikitech page ( >> https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Machine_Learning/LiftWing). >> * The future work will be split into two main areas (as I see it): >> ** The ML team will keep working on improving the infrastructure, >> documentation, performance, etc.. of Lift Wing, to provide better tools and >> data access for any new idea related to models and their usage. We'll >> maintain the infrastructure with monitoring/alarms/etc.., so the day-to-day >> ops will not fall on the model owners (WMF and community), so that they >> will be able to concentrate themselves only on the models and their future >> steps. >> ** Other WMF teams like Research will propose and work on new models that >> the community needs, but we'll also focus on improving what is currently >> being used. For example, most of the ORES traffic is for the goodfaith and >> damaging models that worked very well over the years but they rely on old >> training data and architectures. The Revert Risk models (for example, >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Machine_learning_models/Proposed/Language-agnostic_revert_risk) >> are an attempt to improve the reliability and performance of the >> aforementioned models, using a single score instead of multiple ones. >> >> >>> 3. Will this change open up the possibility of deploying this Recent >>> Changes enhancement, or a newer version thereof, to more wikis and >>> languages? >>> >> >> It may be possible in the future to enhance even more the RC Filters, at >> the moment we are concentrating on migrating the current ones to Lift Wing, >> but after that we'll start figuring out what is the next step. Any >> suggestion or advice is really welcome! (see >> https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/ORES#Machine_Learning_contacts) >> >> >> If you think that my questions show a wrong understanding of something, >>> please let me know—as I said in the beginning, its quite possible :) >>> >> >> Thanks a lot for the questions, I hope I answered your doubts, feel free >> to follow up if anything is missing! >> >> Luca (on behalf of the ML team) >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list -- wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wikitech-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ -- Amir (he/him)
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