OK thanks I will give it a try. My basic Google Search page is certainly loading faster after this change so hopefully it will do the trick.
David Griffith -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona Sent: 01 May 2014 17:02 To: Windows Access Share Your Enthusiasm! Subject: Re: Jaws For Windows; In A Whole New Light! try removing webvism that or u can leave it installed and disable everything except the capcha. that is what I ended up by doing to fix that problem with me when I ran in to that issue, when I reverted back to the defaults with webvism I to ran in to the same simptoms hth Hank On 5/1/2014 8:58 AM, David Griffith wrote: > It is difficult to do any testing at the moment given the recent security > problems. Jaws is normally very fast for me on the web but I have to say > that things have gummed up for me with the need to avoid using IE given its > recent Zero day security flaws. I have switched to Firefox but ever since > doing so it is taking an age for pages to load and there is a period of > about 30 seconds when neither Jaws or Firefox will provide any response, no > sound or feedback at all, before the Firefox page becomes usable. As I > have 16 GB of ram on board and a reasonable processor on a 64 bit Windows 7 > machine I do not think this should be happening. > > Moving back to IE and loading the same pages in that browser temporarily I > find that everything zips along normally and acceptably. It appears a > problem with the interface of Jaws 15 and firefox then, at least on my > system. I wonder if the web visum plugin is slowing everything up. I tried > switching to Chrome on Windows but support for Chrome appears if anything to > have gone backwards in Jaws 15 compared to 14. > > I will therefore try out Firefox with Window-Eyes to see if the experience > is improved. > Just in relation to navigating by elements in Jaws most of the element > shortcut keys appear to be identical between Jaws and Window-Eyes. In terms > of elements list manipulation Jaws is also very similar to the insert tab > function in Window-Eyes. You probably already know this but just in case. > > Insert F7, similar to NVDA, will bring up a links list. > Insert F6 will bring up a heading list > Insert F5 will bring up a form fields and buttons list. > > All of these are navigable by first letter. > > > An annoyance for me is the need to manually enter table navigation on the > web with Window-Eyes, whereas both NVDA and Jaws will conveniently and > automatically recognise the presence of a and make navigation keys available > for you as soon as you are there. > > Where Window-Eyes scores over Jaws definitely is in navigation and > manipulation of screen cursors which are more powerful than the Jaws Cursor. > > David Griffith > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gordon Smith > Sent: 01 May 2014 14:55 > To: Windows Access; Share Your Enthusiasm! > Subject: Re: Jaws For Windows; In A Whole New Light! > > Hi David > > I'm given to understand that a total rewrite of Window-Eyes is either > already underway or is planned for later this year. That, in all honesty, > would b a welcome development. > > Conversely, however, I still haven't mastered Jaws on the web. I can't as > yet move by a number of elements, although this is not Jaws related, this is > down to user ignorance entirely. However, I am not able to reproduce your > problems with Window-Eyes "crawling" on the word wide web. perhaps we could > exchange test data off list? Or would others prefer that exchange to take > place on list so that they can follow along? > > Freedom's training material is exemplary. It is interactive and intuitive. > Window-Eyes's help system is fine as far as it goes. But it could > definitely be made better. > > As for NVDA, it works quite well and I do urge everybody to keep in mind > that the developers are changing the face of accessibility under Windows. > That initiative and others elsewhere have transformed what was once a closed > shop kind of scenario into a fiercely competitive industry whose products > are growing more and more user-friendly and whose cost is now much more > competitive than this time 5 years ago. > > > Kindest regards > > <--- Gordon Smith ---> > > <[email protected]> > > Information Technology Accessibility Consultant; > Proudly Providing Braille And Alternative Format Transcription Services, > Plus Help & Support To The Staff And Students Of the Visually Impaired > Department at Sunnyside Academy, Colby Newham, Middlesbrough! > > > > Telephone: > > United Kingdom: Free Phone: > 0800 8620538 > > Mobile: > +44 7907 823971 > > Europe and other non-specified: > +44 1642 688095 > > United States Of America And Canada: > +1 646 9151493 > Or: > +1 209 436 9443 > > Australasia: > +61 38 8205930 > Or: > +61 39 0284505 > > Fax: > +44 1642 365123 > > Follow Us On Twitter: > <http://twitter.com/maciosaccess> > > Skype: > <skype:mac-access-dot-net?call> > > ------------------------------ > > > > > On 24 Apr 2014, at 14:37, David Griffith <[email protected]> wrote: > > I agree absolutely. > > When Window-Eyes for Officer came out in January I developed a strategy of > weaning myself off Jaws and moving to a combination of NVDA and Window-Eyes > for Office. > > However a number of access problems with Window-Eyes on the web in > particular have forced me, reluctantly only yesterday, to part with the > money to upgrade from Jaws 14 to Jaws 15. On BBC iPlayer I have to > constantly redraw the screen for Window-Eyes to see basic buttons like the > play button which Jaws identifies with no problem. Window-Eyes is unusable > with my Nat West Banking site as it constantly freezes and is unable to read > any content on the page whereas both Jaws and NVDA will read all the > elements fine. The final straw for me came on Saturday when I could not > access the Transport for London website properly to get complete information > about weekend line closures. Without even reloading the page but simply by > closing Window-Eyes and loading Jaws I found I had no problems reading > elements that Window-Eyes simply could not spot. > > Theoretically I could use Jaws 15 in demo mode to cope with the web pages > that Window-Eyes cannot hack it with but as you say unfortunately > Window-Eyes crawls along compared to Jaws on the web in particular. I would > be a frustrated screen reader user. To be fair Window-Eyes performs better > elsewhere, and is just about acceptable on Office but as you say Jaws even > here is far snappier. Occasionally Window-Eyes cannot even keep up with my > typing though to be fair a restart of Window-Eyes has always resolves this > problem. > > I think Window-Eyes for Office is a good initiative , important even, but > the product does need to improve for it to match even the performance of > NVDA in key areas. > > David Griffith > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gordon Smith > Sent: 24 April 2014 13:07 > To: Windows Access; Share Your Enthusiasm! > Subject: Jaws For Windows; In A Whole New Light! > > Hello all > > This a forum has been a little quiet of late, but I wanted to write about a > subject which, over the last 10 or 12 years, has been one of my pet hates. > > However, having recently had occasion to install and defamiliarise myself > with Jaws 15 in respect of my work, I have to say that I now see the product > in a whole new light. How very very far it has progressed since the time > when I first became a Jaws user, way back when Jaws 3.0 was the current > release. > > Jaws itself has developed beyond all recognition since those very dark days. > In terms of responsiveness, I think there's nothing currently available on > the Windows platform which even comes close to Jaws. There are some aspects > which I find irritating. 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