On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, Dan Kegel wrote:
[...]
> Now, if you want to make things easier for users, there's
> room for improvement on the winehq forums page.  For starters,
> the Forums link on the main page is buried a bit; it ought
> to be higher up (say, right after FAQ; the HowTo link should
> be part of Documentation).

The current location looked ok to me.


> On the Forums page, the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list should
> probably be the first thing on the page.

Yes, we could tweak this. What about the following order:

  wine-announce
  wine-users
  wine-devel
  wine-patches
  wine-cvs
  wine-releases
  wine-license
  wine-bugs
  wine-tests-results


> The newsgroup link is currently wrong(!); it's currently
>    news://comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine/
> but should be
>    news:comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine

Where did you find the broken link? I found one like you describe in a
Wine Weekly News 2000/01/17, but the forum page looks ok:

<a href="news:comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine";>comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine</a>


> And we should probably link to the newsgroups at gmane.org, too.

The newsgroup is not indexed at Gmane, only the mailing lists are. I can
add a link like so:

 [(Un-)Subscribe] [Archive] [Gmane] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...


> Shall I prepare patches for the website to implement these changes
> so people can see what I'm suggesting?

Well, I attached a patch proposal...


-- 
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    Indifference will certainly be the downfall of mankind, but who cares?
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@@ -17,64 +17,83 @@
 
 <p>WineHQ has mailing lists for submitting patches, tracking CVS
 commits, and discussing Wine. They feature a very customizable user
-subscription config, and can be subscribed to <a href="/mailman/listinfo">via WWW</a>
-or by sending mail to <i>listname</i>[EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject line of
-"subscribe". To unsubscribe, use a subject line of "unsubscribe
-<i>password</i>" using the password you got when you subscribed,
+subscription config, and can be subscribed to <a href="/mailman/listinfo">via
+WWW</a> or by sending mail to <i>listname</i>[EMAIL PROTECTED] with a
+subject line of "subscribe". To unsubscribe, use a subject line of
+"unsubscribe <i>password</i>" using the password you got when you subscribed,
 or just use <a href="/mailman/listinfo">the Mailman web interface</a>.</p>
 
-<p><b>Note:</b> You should be subscribed to the lists before you post to them, 
otherwise
-your posting will be treated as possible spam by the mailing list software.</p>
+<p><b>Note:</b> You should be subscribed to the lists before you post
+to them, otherwise your posting will be treated as possible spam by the
+mailing list software.</p>
 
 <ul>
-       <li> [<a 
href="http://www.winehq.org/mailman/listinfo/wine-announce";>(Un-)Subscribe</a>] 
-            [<a href="http://www.winehq.org/hypermail/wine-announce/";>Archive</a>]
-         <a href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</a> <br>
-         A low traffic (2/month) read-only list for announcing releases
-         and other major Wine or WineHQ news.<br><br>
-
-       <li> [<a 
href="http://www.winehq.org/mailman/listinfo/wine-devel";>(Un-)Subscribe</a>]
-            [<a href="http://www.winehq.org/hypermail/wine-devel/";>Archive</a>]
-         <a href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</a> <br>
-         A medium traffic (25/day) open list for discussing Wine development,
-         WineHQ, patches or anything else of interest to Wine developers.<br><br>
-
-       <li> [<a 
href="http://www.winehq.org/mailman/listinfo/wine-patches";>(Un-)Subscribe</a>]
-            [<a href="http://www.winehq.org/hypermail/wine-patches/";>Archive</a>]
-         <a href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</a> <br>
-         A medium traffic (8/day) open list for submitting patches only.<br><br>
-
-       <li> [<a 
href="http://www.winehq.org/mailman/listinfo/wine-releases";>(Un-)Subscribe</a>]
-            [<a href="http://www.winehq.org/hypermail/wine-releases/";>Archive</a>]
-         <a href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</a> <br>
-         A low traffic (2/month) read only list for receiving a large diff file at 
every Wine official release.<br><br>
-
-       <li> [<a 
href="http://www.winehq.org/mailman/listinfo/wine-bugs";>(Un-)Subscribe</a>]
-            [<a href="http://www.winehq.org/hypermail/wine-bugs/";>Archive</a>]
-         <a href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</a> <br>
-         A medium traffic (10/day) read-only list for monitoring submissions to the
-         <a href="http://bugs.winehq.org/";>Bug Tracking Database</a>.<br><br>
-
-       <li> [<a 
href="http://www.winehq.org/mailman/listinfo/wine-cvs";>(Un-)Subscribe</a>]
-            [<a href="http://www.winehq.org/hypermail/wine-cvs/";>Archive</a>]
-         <a href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</a> <br>
-         A medium traffic (8/day) read only list which tracks commits to the CVS 
tree.<br><br>
-
-       <li> [<a 
href="http://www.winehq.org/mailman/listinfo/wine-license";>(Un-)Subscribe</a>]
-            [<a href="http://www.winehq.org/hypermail/wine-license/";>Archive</a>]
-         <a href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</a> <br>
-         A medium traffic (10/day) open list for discussing legal issues
-          related to Wine, including license issues.<br><br>
-
-       <li> [<a 
href="http://www.winehq.org/mailman/listinfo/wine-users";>(Un-)Subscribe</a>]
-            [<a href="http://www.winehq.org/hypermail/wine-users/";>Archive</a>]
-         <a href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</a> <br>
-         A medium traffic (10/day) open list for end-user discussions.<br><br>
-        
-        <li> [<a 
href="http://www.winehq.org/mailman/listinfo/wine-tests-results";>(Un-)Subscribe</a>]
-            [<a 
href="http://www.winehq.org/hypermail/wine-tests-results/";>Archive</a>]
-         <a href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</a> <br>
-         A medium traffic (10/day) open list for submitting test results.
+  <li>
+    [<a 
href="http://www.winehq.org/mailman/listinfo/wine-announce";>(Un-)Subscribe</a>] 
+    [<a href="http://www.winehq.org/hypermail/wine-announce/";>Archive</a>] 
+    [<a href="http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.wine.announce";>Gmane</a>]
+    <a href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</a><br>
+    A low traffic (2/month) read-only list for announcing releases
+    and other major Wine or WineHQ news.<br><br>
+
+  <li>
+    [<a href="http://www.winehq.org/mailman/listinfo/wine-users";>(Un-)Subscribe</a>]
+    [<a href="http://www.winehq.org/hypermail/wine-users/";>Archive</a>]  
+    [<a href="http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.wine.users";>Gmane</a>]
+    <a href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</a><br>
+    A medium traffic (10/day) open list for end-user discussions.<br><br>
+
+  <li>
+    [<a href="http://www.winehq.org/mailman/listinfo/wine-devel";>(Un-)Subscribe</a>]
+    [<a href="http://www.winehq.org/hypermail/wine-devel/";>Archive</a>]
+    [<a href="http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.wine.devel";>Gmane</a>]
+    <a href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</a> <br>
+    A medium traffic (25/day) open list for discussing Wine development,
+    WineHQ, patches or anything else of interest to Wine developers.<br><br>
+
+  <li>
+   [<a href="http://www.winehq.org/mailman/listinfo/wine-patches";>(Un-)Subscribe</a>]
+   [<a href="http://www.winehq.org/hypermail/wine-patches/";>Archive</a>]
+   [<a href="http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.wine.patches";>Gmane</a>]
+   <a href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</a><br>
+   A medium traffic (8/day) open list for submitting patches only.<br><br>
+
+  <li>
+    [<a href="http://www.winehq.org/mailman/listinfo/wine-cvs";>(Un-)Subscribe</a>]
+    [<a href="http://www.winehq.org/hypermail/wine-cvs/";>Archive</a>]
+    [<a href="http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.wine.cvs";>Gmane</a>]
+    <a href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</a><br>
+    A medium traffic (8/day) read only list which tracks commits to the CVS
+    tree.<br><br>
+
+  <li>
+    [<a 
href="http://www.winehq.org/mailman/listinfo/wine-releases";>(Un-)Subscribe</a>]
+    [<a href="http://www.winehq.org/hypermail/wine-releases/";>Archive</a>]
+    <a href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</a> <br>
+    A low traffic (2/month) read only list for receiving a large diff file
+    at every Wine official release.<br><br>
+
+  <li>
+    [<a href="http://www.winehq.org/mailman/listinfo/wine-license";>(Un-)Subscribe</a>]
+    [<a href="http://www.winehq.org/hypermail/wine-license/";>Archive</a>]
+    [<a href="http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.wine.license";>Gmane</a>]
+    <a href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</a> <br>
+    A medium traffic (10/day) open list for discussing legal issues
+    related to Wine, including license issues.<br><br>
+
+  <li>
+    [<a href="http://www.winehq.org/mailman/listinfo/wine-bugs";>(Un-)Subscribe</a>]
+    [<a href="http://www.winehq.org/hypermail/wine-bugs/";>Archive</a>]
+    [<a href="http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.wine.bugs";>Gmane</a>]
+    <a href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</a><br>
+    A medium traffic (10/day) read-only list for monitoring submissions to the
+    <a href="http://bugs.winehq.org/";>Bug Tracking Database</a>.<br><br>
+
+  <li>
+    [<a 
href="http://www.winehq.org/mailman/listinfo/wine-tests-results";>(Un-)Subscribe</a>]
+    [<a href="http://www.winehq.org/hypermail/wine-tests-results/";>Archive</a>]
+    <a href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</a><br>
+    A medium traffic (10/day) open list for submitting test results.
 </ul>
 
 
@@ -82,8 +101,9 @@
 <a name="ng"></a>
 <h2>Usenet Newsgroup</h2>
 
-<p>WineHQ has a newsgroup hosted by Usenet. You can read and post using a newsgroup 
reader such as
-<a href="http://www.mozilla.org/";>Mozilla</a> or <a 
href="http://pan.rebelbase.com/";>Pan</a>.</p>
+<p>WineHQ has a newsgroup hosted by Usenet. You can read and post using a
+newsgroup reader such as <a href="http://www.mozilla.org/";>Mozilla</a>
+or <a href="http://pan.rebelbase.com/";>Pan</a>.</p>
 
 <p><a href="news:comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine";>comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine</a> 
or via the web at
 <a 
href="http://groups.google.com/groups?group=comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine";>Google</a></p>
@@ -93,9 +113,9 @@
 <a name="irc"></a>
 <h2>IRC Channel</h2>
 
-<p><a href="http://www.freenode.net";>Freenode.net</a> hosts a chat room for Wine. You 
can access the
-chat room using an IRC program such as <a href="http://www.xchat.org/";>X-Chat</a>. 
Use the settings
-listed below.</p>
+<p><a href="http://www.freenode.net";>Freenode.net</a> hosts a chat room for
+Wine. You can access the chat room using an IRC program such as
+<a href="http://www.xchat.org/";>X-Chat</a>. Use the settings listed below.</p>
 
 <blockquote>
     <b>Server:</b> irc.freenode.net<br>
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@@ -163,7 +163,7 @@
 <p />
 
 G&#233;rard posted some follow-up of a debugging discussion he had on 
-<a href="news:///comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine";>
+<a href="news:comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine";>
 comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine</a> (Title was 'Wine with ASS won't run
 stripped binaries').
 

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