On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 11:37:14AM -0700, Daniel, Colin wrote:
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> Do you use WEP and if so what level of encryption?
A: No.  We have over 100,000 potential users.  Handing them all the same 
   shared-secret password and expecting it to be kept secret would be a 
   bit of a stretch.  Anyone who knows the WEP password would be able to
   see all other packets, so the whole scheme falls apart.  We can't use
   any of the proprietary encryption systems, because we have so many 
   users all purchasing their own equipment.  Many laptops and some 
   palmtops have wireless pre-installed, so there is no way to control 
   which brand people are using.

> Do you use a Radius server or another means of authentication?
A: We have set up a firewall system that separates our wireless LANs from 
   the main campus backbone.  In order to gain access to the campus 
   network (and the greater Internet), users must first authenticate using 
   an HTTPS web page.  The firewall forwards the authentication request to 
   our X.500 database.  We will be using RADIUS for that forwarding, so 
   that individual departments can augment the system using their own
   databases.  That way, the department can provide limited connectivity
   to 'guests'.

> Do you use DHCP and if so is it open or reserved?
A: We provide open DHCP from the firewall unit.  Anyone can get a DHCP 
   address, but they cannot use the address to access the campus network 
   until they have authenticated.  They *can*, however, access the local 
   wireless LAN.  This is a compromise that we had to make, due to the 
   limitations of 802.11.  We will be looking at 802.1x, WPA, and other 
   forms of access management as they become commonly available.

   Note that we are not particularly worried about DoS attacks that do 
   things like drain the DHCP IP pool.  There are so many ways to disrupt 
   wireless LANs that it seemed pointless to worry about this one.

> Do charge a fee for wireless access and if so how much?
A: No direct fees.

> Which vendor did you select for your wireless infrastructure?
A: We have not.  Our campus is very large, and many departments went ahead 
   and purchased gear.  Our infrastructure must accommodate a wide variety 
   of Access Points and clients.

> If you have any additional information/suggestions/warnings I would greatly
> appreciate the advice.

When we started our project there were few viable options for access
management, so we built our own.  We are now looking seriously at some
commercial options and some Open Source projects such as NoCatAuth.

Some things to consider when you look for Access Points:

- Some vendors have recommended that we purchase expensive, high-end 
  Access Points, perform site surveys, and carefully place the Access
  Points in optimal locations.  There are several drawbacks to this 
  approach:
    a.  We must either use APs that support power over CAT5, or we need to
        run separate conduit for both electrical and network wiring.
    b.  There are often �sthetics issues relating to "optimal locations"
        (Us:    "We'd like to put a beige box with blinky lights in your
                 atrium."
         Them:  "I don't think so...").
    c.  There are often firecode (plenum) issues in "optimal locations".
    d.  There are often risks of theft in "optimal locations".
    e.  We cannot use the features of the high-end APs because they are, 
        typically, proprietary.  There is no way to support proprietary
        systems given the diversity of the clients.

  Instead, we have found that it is effective to purchase a larger number 
  of cheap (but reliable) APs, and place them in less-than-optimal 
  locations, such as wiring closets, kiosks, etc.  Ten cheap APs in poor 
  locations can often do as good a job, or better, than half that many in 
  "optimal" locations.

- The more APs you put in (cheap or otherwise) the more individual bits of 
  network infrastructure you need to maintain, monitor, upgrade, etc.  It 
  can be a big pain.  If you are in a position to make all of the units 
  the same, do it.  Note, however, that the vendors have a habit of 
  changing things.  One brand we use (and like) changed its internal CPU, 
  OS, management interface, etc. after we already had a large number of 
  units installed.  They just came out with a new model and all the old 
  stuff was instantly obsolete.  Ick.

  What's worse is that some of the vendors are making noises now that 
  suggest that when the next full-blown pile of standards is available 
  all of the older APs will have to be pulled.  Things like the 
  higher-speed 802.11g, new authentication and encryption schemes... these 
  may require new hardware.

  That's another reason to buy cheap.  It won't hurt as much if/when the
  units need to be replaced.

I hope that's of some use.

If you are interested in the commercial vendors we are looking at, ping me 
offline: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Chris -)-----

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