If you're talking about Firmware version 2.1.0, I don't think so... I've
tried it and not seen the entries timeout at all.  I could be wrong, but
my cursory testing of this feature in that firmware revision shows that
it doesn't.

--Mike



On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 16:43, Phill Solomon wrote:
> Hello Mike,
>
> Regarding the bridge table time out, I  believe this has been fixed in the
> Jan release of the code for the AP-3 / AP-2000, but I would hardly want to
> rely on that either, as you say.
>
> thanks regards Phill Solomon
>
>
> At 01:19 AM 2/04/2003, you wrote:
> >On this note, I had thought about using the Bridge MIB direct from the
> >AP-2000 and just counting the MACs on either of the wireless interfaces
> >(2 or 9 are the interface numbers in the Bridge MIB on the AP-3/2000).
> >The problem with this method is that the AP-2000 (AP-3) does not timeout
> >bridge entries.  On top of this, the bridge learn table is 10,000
> >entries in size.  If a client shuts down and does not roam to another AP
> >(which all clients will eventually do), then the MAC for that client
> >hangs around on the last AP it was associated with indefinitely.  Not
> >very accurate.  With no bridge learn timeout and no client association
> >MIB, there just is no truly accurate way to find out who is currently
> >using an AP.  For an enterprise-class AP of the caliber of the
> >Avaya/Proxim lines, I find this very dissappointing.
> >
> >--Mike
> >
> >
> >On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 08:13, Philippe Hanset wrote:
> > > Phill,
> > >
> > > At University of Tennessee we are exploring various tools
> > > that can do what you want, home-grown and off-the-shelve.
> > > We do have an advantage, all our APs are AP-2000 (=AP3)
> > > ...or call it a disadvantage considering the lack
> > > of MIBs for client polling on AP-2000.
> > >
> > > For Home-Grown, we use PERL-SNMP and MRTG,
> > >
> > > the number of clients can be polled but it's tricky,
> > > you have to simulate that same thing that you do on the WEB interface
> > > with SNMP coding: eg: set OID for "link test explore", then Poll that same
> > > OID, when it changes, read the OID of client association...it's very
> > > annoying + not all brands of 802.11b adapter show up... The other
> > > alternative would be to poll the switch port on which the AP is connected
> > > and count the number of MAC addresses (of course if the CAM table age is
> > > high it doesn't make much sense...but it gives an idea)
> > >
> > >
> > > For off-the-shelve, we are exploring 2 packages:
> > >
> > > Airwave (www.airwave.com) , which supports Cisco and Orinoco. They are
> > > facing the same issue as any coder: Client support on AP-2000 is
> > > unreliable. The advantage: they bundle in a supported package all the
> > > neat things that your best coders can come up with.
> > > (Linux/Perl based). They have a HPOV (HP Open View)plug-in
> > >
> > > The other product is designed by the Orinoco team itself:
> > > WINMA (Wireless Network Manager...it sounds like it was designed by
> > > Microsoft but it's not...)
> > > Runs on Windows, supports all features of the AP-2000/1000 etc...
> > > (not Cisco!!!) including the Client Association. Has a HPOV plug-in.
> > > At the moment it doesn't support Group configuration, but we made
> > > a BIG request for it.
> > >
> > > Also, some folks that design Wireless Authentication Gateways
> > > (Vernier, Reef Edge, Blue Socket ...) are planning to have management
> > > software in the same package...that would be interesting to pursue.
> > >
> > > We don't know yet which direction we will lean. We decided
> > > to stick with PERL-SNMP at the moment an keep our eyes wide open,
> > > until one of these product becomes mature enough to fit our needs
> > > (we might convert our SNMP coding into a Startup ;-)
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Philippe Hanset
> > > University opf Tennessee
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Phill Solomon wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > I am seeking feedback about how different universities are monitoring
> > > > wireless base stations.
> > > >
> > > > Here at the University of Melbourne we currently have around 65 Avaya
> > AP-3
> > > > and around a dozen Cisco Aironet 350, and a handful of AP-1000s. What I
> > > > would like to do is to produce MRTG style graphs for each base station
> > > > showing how many users are connected and when. This will show where the
> > > > most popular locations are and at what times.
> > > >
> > > > Are others doing this ? Are there commercial products / tools available
> > > > that can do this ? / Can it be done over different platforms ?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance,
> > > >
> > > > Phill Solomon
> > > >
> > > > More information about our Wireless network "MUWIRELESS"
> > > > http://www.infodiv.unimelb.edu.au/wireless
> > > >
> > > > Phill Solomon
> > > >
> > > > Networks - Systems and IT Infrastructure - Information Division
> > > > University of Melbourne
> > > > Phone 834 48804   Fax 9347 4804    [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >
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