This makes one wonder if Apple has much enterprise experience to pull from in their ranks. We're well aware of the other ways of supporting this, but it is usually at added cost to the institution. I'm grateful for other vendors who pick up Apple's slack and can make some money doing it, but it is my hope that Apple will start to seriously address the Enterprise at some point. Other solutions are after the fact and always catching up it seems. I would argue a more holistic and integrated offering to the Enterprise would serve Apple far better than the current perceived patchwork third party approach. Perhaps this is where they need to take some notes from MS and get third parties that better cater to the Enterprise intimately involved from the start.
Brian From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of John Kaftan Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 11:43 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: Apple Petition (Was Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] You knew it was coming...Airplay/Apple TV support for instructors.) I know we have moved on to just talking about the petition but here is a response from an Apple engineer regarding the original issue. John, Please don't post my name directly to the list, but any AppleCare case numbers and RADAR feature request numbers would be helpful. As I am sure many are aware, to allow an iPad to talk to an Apple TV for AirPlay it must communicate directly, we would use AirPlay, which uses Bonjour. If anyone was looking for more management control over Bonjour traffic and services they absolutely could look at offerings from Aruba, Aerohive, Xirrus and even Cisco. Looking at the currently available options (like this one<http://www.aerohive.com/pdfs/Aerohive-Solution_Brief-Bonjour_Gateway.pdf>), I would be happy to facilitate feature requests going forward! John Kaftan IT Infrastructure Manager Utica College 315.792.3102 [cid:image001.png@01CD5DC9.3D61C640]<http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/pages/Utica-College-Infrastructure/175989122467327>[cid:image002.png@01CD5DC9.3D61C640]<https://twitter.com/#!/UticaNet>[cid:image003.png@01CD5DC9.3D61C640]<http://www.youtube.com/user/UticaNET> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu]<mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu]> On Behalf Of Johnson, Neil M Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 11:08 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@listserv.educause.edu> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition First, I'm not beholden to the text of the petition. If someone has suggestions for improving it, or re-writing it. I'm listening. Second, What would be the best way to collect "official" signatures to the petition ? Thrid, should we be engaging EDUCAUSE to see if they would publish an official press-release ? Thanks. -Neil -- Neil Johnson Network Engineer The University of Iowa Phone: 319 384-0938 Fax: 319 335-2951 Mobile: 319 540-2081 E-Mail: neil-john...@uiowa.edu<mailto:neil-john...@uiowa.edu> From: <Kellogg>, "Brian D." <bkell...@sbu.edu<mailto:bkell...@sbu.edu>> Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> Date: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:33 AM To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition Nice and thank you From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 10:31 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: Apple Petition Looking better. If we can get this to gel, and to the point where the majority of the schools sign on in a form that we can each present to our Apple reps (or however it gets to Apple), I have clearance to cover it for Network Computing Magazine for a bit of press. -Lee Lee H. Badman Wireless/Network Engineer Information Technology and Services Adjunct Instructor, iSchool Syracuse University 315 443-3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]<mailto:[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]>On Behalf Of Johnson, Neil M Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 10:16 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition How does this sound for an update (The latest is posted on the Facebook site): We the undersigned academic and research institutions hereby solemnly request that Apple provide support for Bonjour/Airplay technology in enterprise networks. With an Apple client device penetration of 50% or more on the typical campus, this amounts to thousands of Apple client devices whose owners desire to use their Apple TV and other Bonjour/Airplay based devices in classrooms, conference rooms, and in other locations on standards-based, enterprise-secure networks. Specifically, we request the following (in order of priority): * That Apple establish a way for Apple TV's (and other Bonjour/Airplay enabled devices) be accessible across multiple IPv4 and IPv6 sub-nets. * That the Apple TV support Enterprise Wireless Encryption and Authentication (WPA2-Enterprise). * That authentication to the Apple TV be able to utilize enterprise Authentication, Authorization, and Accounting (AAA) services. Any enterprise Bonjour/Airplay solution needs to meet the following criteria: * It must scale to 100's-1000's of Bonjour/Airplay enabled devices. * It must work with wired and wireless networks from different vendors. * It must not significantly negatively impact network traffic (wired and wireless). * It must be easily manageable at scale. * If it requires a separate hardware solution, that the solution must be enterprise grade (rack mountable, dual power supplies, etc.) * It must be provided at a reasonable cost Failure to provide this support severely limits the usefulness (and desirability) of Apple products in our institutions. At your earliest convenience please provide us with a road map for support of Bonjour/Airplay and related technologies in enterprise network environments. Thank you. -- Neil Johnson Network Engineer The University of Iowa Phone: 319 384-0938 Fax: 319 335-2951 Mobile: 319 540-2081 E-Mail: neil-john...@uiowa.edu<mailto:neil-john...@uiowa.edu> From: Lee H Badman <lhbad...@syr.edu<mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu>> Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> Date: Monday, July 9, 2012 7:08 AM To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition I would also offer that the beginning narrative includes something to the effect of "with Apple client device penetration of 50% or more on the typical campus environment, amounting to thousands of Apple client devices per campus with the desire to use their AppleTV and other Bonjour/Airplay based devices on standards-based, enterprise-secure wireless networks..." sort of thing showing scale of issue and that we simply want the gadgets to play by standards and enterprise methods. -Lee From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Voll, Toivo Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 1:28 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple Petition Also, for me, the lack of support for WPA2-Enterprise is a head-scratcher. If they go through the trouble of supporting the rest of the encryption schemes, and obviously support it on a bunch of their other products, why randomly leave it out of some products? I'd prioritize that a bit more, personally. -- Toivo Voll Network Engineer Information Technology Communications University of South Florida ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
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