But the question becomes do we tag our students? That is the sticky question.
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S20 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> ________________________________ From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of Jennifer Minella <j...@cadinc.com> Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 5:12:05 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi and Covid * External Email * Piggy backing on Lee, Felix and all the others… as someone who works for an organization that sells this stuff- WiFi location services are (IMO) useless (or nearly useless) for this type of contact tracing. The best you’ll get (per the manufacturers) is “a region” which is going to be a large square footage (not a single room) and not even necessarily on the same floor of the building. Nor even IN the building (could be outside) etc. Having said that, if you want to try it, as someone noted there are plugins for not only Splunk but I know Aruba has an overlay they’re offering for free and Cisco has something that I hesitate to say is free but might be. So if you have time and resources and wanted to play, you have some no-cost options. The best location solutions that may be integrated in to APs are BLE-based and out of that, the level of accuracy will always be orders of magnitude better than WiFi location but will vary depending on the other end – standard BLE chirping from things is not accurate. A BLE tag and/or phone with BLE and an app will be quite accurate. ___________ Jennifer Minella, CISSP, HP MASE VP of Engineering & Security Carolina Advanced Digital, Inc. www.cadinc.com<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cadinc.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cilyons%40ROLLINS.EDU%7Cc406368198b644a2984c08d8f552d221%7Cb8e8d71a947d41dd81dd8401dcc51007%7C0%7C0%7C637529084091698541%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000&sdata=bLU87LCtDQbXbCvIPEVBa7aTVG6wOAZPEuGrvhYWWzc%3D&reserved=0> j...@cadinc.com<mailto:j...@cadinc.com> 919.460.1313 Main Office 919.539.2726 Mobile/text [CAD LOGO EMAIL SIG] From: Jerry Bucklaew <j...@buffalo.edu> Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 4:09 PM Subject: Re: Wi-Fi and Covid We had the same discussions and the same conclusion, wifi is not good for this. One reason is you can’t trust the result. You can’t say a person was in a certain building because they may have forgot their phone, not registered yet. You can’t say a person was not in a building because many devices registered to a person are stationary and connect even when the person is not there. So any data you pull is inconclusive at best. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> On Behalf Of Dan Lauing Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:53 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi and Covid I don't believe Wi-Fi is a good technology for this. It's nice when you can reuse existing overhead, but I don't think 2.4/5/6 radio is the answer. You're just begging for false positives. On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 2:47 PM Seth Bean <seth.b...@mcla.edu<mailto:seth.b...@mcla.edu>> wrote: We ducked this by explaining our wireless design was created for coverage, not security/triangulation, which is true. Many of our buildings do not have the capability to do triagulation because of AP positions. We didn't even get into the privacy item, which was honestly a relief. Seth Bean Administrator of Networks and Telecommunications APA Union Chapter President Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts 413.662.5022 413.663.1276 375 Church Street North Adams, MA 01247 “National Top Ten Public Liberal Arts College” 2020-2021 US News & World Report ________________________________ From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> on behalf of Lee H Badman <000000db5b77bd95-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:000000db5b77bd95-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu>> Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:33 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wi-Fi and Covid CAUTION: This email originated from outside of MCLA. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Several vendors are trying to monetize COVID… the Wi-Fi part (in my opinion) falls apart fairly quickly in spots when you start talking it through for contact tracing- and usually to do it you may have to buy things you don’t have to round out the system. FWIW. 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