HI I agree with Nigels message and I believe you can not compare WL networks with cable or any other wired trunk. You say the the ROR have bw settings but I believe this ones are meant for AP<=>AP only or max throughput on one interface but you can not set for each client. I know about karlnet having such things but some more density and nothing works anymore.
The problem is the capacity of the AP. So if really someone could get a 5-6MB stream that means that almost nobody on this AP gets a bit anymore. All bandwidth throttler we tried on the bridge are not working well and dont ask why, we never investigated this issue further. It seems that most solutions out there are made for very low-density networks. With a good gateway server as the nearest hop from the AP to the wired network, wether it is or not directly connected to the internet should control the bandwidth for all clients on this AP. Also it's very important that the signal strenght between the AP and this gateway is better then any other connection on the WL-network. So if you plan to deliver serious connections you should amp the AP and the gateway between both, independent of the distance or signal quality without amp. We have gateways from INFOMATIK (http://info.matik.com.br), they are based on FreeBSD and they are doing an amazing work. We have different speeds and the server controls it on the bit. You set it to 256 and it is that what goes through. Also we never had overhead anymore. Since we use this solution our network is running real smooth. And we have more clients on one AP as Lucent say we could. Also when we sum this solution it is cheaper then any other we tried out. The maintanace is local, no client visit necessary and you can use any client hardware compatible with the Ap you are running. So its secondary if the client is Windows or Linux, Linksys, orinoco or whatever. HM Brian Taylor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote*: > >They obviously can't consume more than than the gateway, but perhaps he >wants to limit them at their AP which allows him to create a pricing >structure based on speed. That way he can charge more for higher speeds, >and can reliably guarantee his customers higher speed. > >Its much like cable internet. There are basically two ways to handle the >speed. One is you let the customers run wide open and the speed will >throttle itself based on how many people on are. My father's house for >example gets about 4mb/s late at night. Peak time you usually get 1-2mb/s. >Now, the cable company only guarantees 512kb/s, but I have often heard of >people calling in and complaining about "slow" internet when they were still >getting 2-3 times their guaranteed rate. > >My local cable company runs their modems at set speeds locked down by the >DOCSIS layer controls. It was a major nuisance when I moved here, since I >was used to up to 4mb/s, but here I am guaranteed 1mb/s and I always get it. >This allows the cable company to charge more for those who need more speed, >and to more accurately gauge the needed bandwidth. As a result, the quality >of service in my area is very high. > >Now, to answer the original question, limiting the users access speed is >different for every piece of access hardware. I know my Hyperlink H-ROR >wireless routers and my SmartBridges have bandwidth settings in them that >let you limit the amout of data passed. I also know a local WISP that uses >all Orinoco equipment and does speed limiting, although I haven't been into >the setup on the bridge to see if that is where it is limited. > >Brian Taylor >Technology Coordinator >Waconda USD #272 - Cawker City, KS > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Fred Weston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "'Jim Thompson'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 8:18 AM >Subject: RE: [BAWUG] How Can I control the customers bandwidth > > >> Perhaps in a community wireless network, run by enthusiasts you would >> need to assume that your users would have a desire to occupy all 11Mbit >> transferring files to each other. It sounds like this gentleman is >> setting up a commercial WISP. If that is indeed the case, 99% of his >> users will be interested only in connecting to AOL and Kazaa. Perhaps I >> am missing something, but if all their traffic is Internet bound I don't >> see how they can consume more bandwidth on the wireless network than is >> available to them at the gateway. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Thompson >> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 1:38 AM >> To: Fred Weston >> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: RE: [BAWUG] How Can I control the customers bandwidth >> >> >> >> I think you misunderstand the capacity issues of wireless networks. >> >> Jim >> >> Fred Weston writes: >> > There wouldn't be any need to. In a typical WISP setup, you wouldn't >> > care so much about how much bandwidth they use on the local network, >> > all you care about is how much of your hardwired Internet connection >> > they utilize. Therefore, you can put a box doing traffic shaping at >> > the edge of the network and accomplish it at the "CO". >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Jim Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 1:12 AM >> > To: Fred Weston >> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Subject: RE: [BAWUG] How Can I control the customers bandwidth >> > >> > >> > >> > Good luck running FreeBSD on your CPE. >> > >> > Fred Weston writes: >> > > M0n0wall also has basic traffic shaping ability. >> > > >> > > http://www.m0n0.ch/wall >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Thompson >> > > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 12:56 AM >> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > Subject: Re: [BAWUG] How Can I control the customers bandwidth >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> > > > Hello, >> > > > >> > > > This may seam like a really dumb question but how do you control >> > > > the customers bandwidth? I have read four books on deploying as a >> > > > WISP >> > and >> > > >> > > > scoured the net looking for this answer. Is software available >> > > > that controls the bandwidth? I looked at http://www.funk.com and >> > > > did not see a mention about this. I currently am in the first >> > > > phases of an initial roll-out to a rural area and need some help >> > > > with this last detail. As a matter of fact any help would be >> > > > appreciated. >> > > >> > > Nearly impossible until you control the last hop at your cusotmer's >> > > location, then its merely difficult. >> > > >> > > Google for "frottle" or "WiCCP" if you like to roll your own, or >> > > "Karlnet" if you like to pay a small mint. >> > > >> > > -- >> > > "Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure." >> > > -- Aldous Huxley (1894 - 1963) >> > > >> > > -- >> > > general wireless list, a bawug thing <http://www.bawug.org/> >> > > [un]subscribe: http://lists.bawug.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > general wireless list, a bawug thing <http://www.bawug.org/> >> > > [un]subscribe: http://lists.bawug.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> > > >> > >> > -- >> > "Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure." >> > -- Aldous Huxley (1894 - 1963) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> -- >> "Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure." >> -- Aldous Huxley (1894 - 1963) >> >> -- >> general wireless list, a bawug thing <http://www.bawug.org/> >> [un]subscribe: http://lists.bawug.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> >> -- >> general wireless list, a bawug thing <http://www.bawug.org/> >> [un]subscribe: http://lists.bawug.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> > > -- general wireless list, a bawug thing <http://www.bawug.org/> [un]subscribe: http://lists.bawug.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
