Well, if you look at it - w/out WISPA's efforts, there would be NOTHING to
talk about it

It would take approximately 30 seconds to introduce WISPA - and 4 1/2
minutes is plenty of time for a WISPA representative to talk 

WISPA has a good story to tell (heck, it made national news) - I think it
would be best for someone from the front lines (maybe reward Mac for his
initiative and efforts?) to tell the story

-Charles

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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 10:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need Inputs From Hurricane Relief
WISPTeamsForFCCPresentation on Thursday


As one of the people who volunteered to help, Michael was given 5...  just
five minutes.

He was specifically asked to explain what role WISP's have played in the
aftermath.

There won't be any time for plugging P15 or WISPA, right now, he's hoping to
provide a rapid-fire 5 minute list of detailed efforts going on in the field
now.   Besides, the people he's talking to already know who he and P15 and
WISPA are.    They just want a "report from the field" or at least that's
how I see what's been posted.

He has just today to put this together.   He needs pictures, locations,
names, specific things, etc.  If you provide him with lots of info, you'll
get the time devoted to WISPA members or actions.   It's that simple.

But as I said... it's now nearly noon eastern, and that means there's only a
short time left to get him the data before he leaves.

Mark




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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Harnish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 6:10 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Need Inputs From Hurricane Relief WISP
TeamsForFCCPresentation on Thursday


> Congratulations Charles, so now we have a "little Wu"  I'm sure you're 
> a proud father.  That's great.
>
> I'm not trying to start an argument here but WISPA was not invited to
attend
> this function.  We received very late notice about the conference call 
> two weeks ago and none of us caught it in time.  Because of that 
> missed conference call, Part-15 submitted a plan to the FCC and became 
> one of the "approved vendors".  It is my understanding that this open 
> commission meeting is to allow those vendors to tell their story.
>
> Each vendor has five minutes to give a short presentation.  Would the 
> FCC allow another slot for WISPA?  I'm not sure, maybe Marlon would 
> have
insight
> into this.  The next question is:  Do we want to portray a divided
industry
> with Part-15 and WISPA taking credit for the same work?  Michael has 
> asked the WISPA board to provide him with bullet points of what we 
> have accomplished this week.  He given his word to portray WISPA as an
important
> contributor in the efforts of this week and last week.  He is very 
> aware that the Mac Dearman team has been aligned much closer to WISPA 
> than
Part-15
> and he realizes the damage he will do to his own reputation if he 
> labels this effort as a Part-15 project.
>
> I am unable to make this trip myself even with Charles great 
> contribution. I have been burning the candle at both ends the last two 
> weeks and have plans to go help Mac's Team this weekend.  I have been 
> accumulating a truckload of supplies, computers, monitors, etc. from 
> my local community this week.  If WISPA needs to have a representative 
> in Washington on Thursday, I suggest someone step up.  I don't believe 
> it necessarily needs to be a board member.  Mac would be great, but do 
> we really want to ask
him
> to do more than he already is?  Matt Larsen would be great as well, so
would
> Marlon.  We will need to get on the agenda right away if someone is 
> committed to do this.
>
> I have been communicating with Michael a lot lately and I believe I 
> have convinced him that part of his frustration in getting assistance 
> has been because his first several press releases focused most of the 
> attention on Part-15.  He IS GETTING BETTER now.  He took on a huge 
> project, one that
is
> bigger than any one man can handle himself.  He has assigned 
> volunteers to help lead different aspects of his plan.  If you really 
> look at it,
Michael
> took the reigns of a "no win" task.  I know I appreciate his 
> willingness
to
> do this......I recognized that I didn't have the time to do it right 
> now
and
> thus recommended that WISPA throw our support behind his effort to 
> consolidate resources and give the public a view of a stronger effort.
>
> So, Michael has been burdened with this huge project and now has a
competing
> association board and members to deal with at the same time.  He not 
> only has to organize the effort but he has to try to keep the WISPA 
> members
happy
> at the same time.  Sound impossible?  It does to me!  The real fact 
> is, Michael Anderson has done a trememdous amount for our industry in 
> the last
5
> years.  Not everything he does is approved by everyone, how can it be.
Heck
> that is why WISPA got started in the first place.  Is WISPA perfect, 
> no
way,
> we get criticized all the time for different things.  Face it, our
industry
> is a group of rather independent thinkers and businessmen that want to
prove
> that they can do it on their own.  We are all leaders in our own 
> minds, we bring solutions to people everyday that make their lives 
> better.
>
> I personally think it is time for the Part-15 leadership and the WISPA 
> leadership to unite our efforts or our fragmented industry will 
> crumble a slow death.  For some that means swallowing some "crow", but 
> if we truly care about the industry and our future, we need to open 
> our eyes,
recognize
> our weaknesses and other's strengths and combine these resources to 
> create
a
> powerful team.
>
> Ok, flame away!  :P
>
> Rick Harnish
> President
> OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc.
> 260-827-2482 Office
> 260-307-4000 Cell
> 260-918-4340 VoIP
> www.oibw.net
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> On Behalf Of Charles Wu
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 5:53 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Need Inputs From Hurricane Relief WISP Teams 
> ForFCCPresentation on Thursday
>
> I agree w/ Alex and will take this one step further
>
> Mike has a history of "taking undue credit" for other's actions
>
> At this risk of sounding anti Part-15, in order for WISPA to establish 
> credibility to its members and the FCC, it needs to be able to stand 
> on
its
> own 2 feet as a separate organization with SEPARATE REPRESENTATION
>
> Another fact worth noting is the effectiveness of the WISPA (Dearman 
> and a group of 20+ volunteers who ACTUALLY MADE A DIFFERENCE) response 
> vs. Part-15's response. Mac and co have made an IMMEDIATE impact and 
> have
gotten
> exposure on the national news media, while Part-15's efforts got 
> bogged
down
> and ultimately ended up getting "lost in the shuffle."
>
> At this point, it seems to me that Part-15 is trying to "ride WISPA's 
> coat-tails"
>
> Personally, I think it would be best for Michael to not try to "take 
> the spotlight" but step aside and turn the FCC presentation over to 
> someone
who
> was actually "in the trenches" (e.g., a WISPA representative or maybe 
> someone from Mac's crew).
>
> That said, unfortunately, with a new baby due this month, my schedule 
> has been filled with diaper changing classes and I have been unable to 
> devote the time/energy that many other volunteers have had; however, I 
> would like to support this effort (and help establish WISPA's 
> credibility) by putting $500 up for a WISPA REPRESENTATIVE to travel 
> to DC to represent WISPA's HURRICANE RELIEF EFFORT in front of the FCC
>
> Back to diaper changing class...
>
> -Charles
>
>
>
> -------------------------------------------
> CWLab
> Technology Architects
> http://www.cwlab.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> On Behalf Of A. Huppenthal
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 11:58 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need Inputs From Hurricane Relief WISP Teams For 
> FCCPresentation on Thursday
>
>
> Steve,
>
>  Its great the FCC asked Mike to speak to them. He can only represent 
> those people and businesses that establish him as their 
> representative. I have Scriv, Marlon and Rick as well as other WISPA 
> members who represent my interests. I'm curious to understanding what 
> Mike wants to speak about as well as seeing whatever materials he's 
> producing for his 5 minute talk. If he'd like to represent me, I'd 
> like to better understand what his platform is, motivation, interests, 
> previous qualifications, and so on. This looks like a nice opportunity 
> and if Marlon could go along and speak for me, that would be great.  I 
> know Marlon, and unfortunately, I don't know Mike, except as a leader 
> of a for-profit organization which uses FCC part15 as its main 
> interest.
>
>  Congratulations to Mike and his company for getting FCC attention. 
> Its great PR for his company. Whatever he can do to convey that WISPs 
> need more spectrum, better anti-trust legislation that is to say - 
> some policing of mega-business policies and better co-ordination among 
> BLM and FS with WISPs would be wonderful. If he would add his support 
> for WISPA and suggest that the FCC should support WISPA's non-profit 
> effort to create a forum for Part15 associated issues and interests 
> would be greatly appreciated by me.
>
>  It would be wonderful to see additional FCC interaction with the 
> WISPA organization and its membership. Perhaps he could suggest a 
> periodic meeting between the FCC and WISPA membership?
>
>  Thanks for the good news that the FCC is paying attention to 
> Independents and their representatives. I hope he invites Marlon or at 
> least mentions that Marlon and WISPA exist and are making good 
> progress.
>
>  Cheers,
>  AH
>
>
> Steve Stroh wrote:
>
> >
> > All:
> >
> > Michael, as usual, has understated this a bit a bit, so I'll step 
> > into the role of blatant Public Relations once more.
> >
> > There's a detailed explanation at 
> > http://www.part-15.org/emergencyrelief/fcc.html.
> >
> > Here's the terse version. Michael Anderson, Chairman of PART-15.ORG 
> > was asked to speak at the upcoming FCC Open Commission Meeting on 
> > Thursday morning.
> >
> > His speaking slot is 5 minutes.
> >
> > It's short in time, but a lot of content can be crammed into it, 
> > considering that he can breeze through the PowerPoint slides, talk 
> > fast, and people can look at the replay and the PowerPoint slides in 
> > detail later.
> >
> > He needs the inputs soon; Monday's gone already. That basically 
> > gives him Tuesday to put an short, effective, "punchy" presentation 
> > together. He flies from Chicago to DC on Wednesday. The more diverse 
> > input he gets, the sooner, the better and more representative the 
> > presentation can be.
> >
> > It SEEMS likely (we don't know for sure) that this meeting will have 
> > lots of press attending, since it's requested that all the entities 
> > under FCC jurisdiction (telephone, cable, broadcasting, public 
> > safety comms, etc.) do the same sort of presentation. So... we want 
> > the WISP industry to be WELL represented, and it will be with YOUR 
> > inputs.
> >
> > To be clear... CRYSTAL clear... Michael was NOT asked to speak to 
> > represent just PART-15.ORG. He was asked to speak to represent the 
> > WISP industry as a whole.
> >
> > Michael would like your input. The web page above has some 
> > suggestions for interesting input to Michael.
> >
> > The form found, linked at the bottom of the web page, (at 
> > http://www.part-15.org/emergencyrelief/report.asp if you'd prefer to 
> > skip reading the long, wordy web page) has additional suggestions on 
> > what to mention.
> >
> > Photos would be great; again, more info at the two URLs.
> >
> > Please - take some time out of your activities to provide your 
> > inputs.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> >> From: "Bullit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Date: September 12, 2005 18:44:38 PDT
> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Subject: [Emergency-Relief] P15 UPDATE - IMMEDIATE RESPONSE 
> >> REQUESTED
> >> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>
> >> http://www.part-15.org/emergencyrelief/fcc.html
> >>
> >> Thank you
> >> Michael
> >>
> > ---
> >
> > Steve Stroh
> > 425-939-0076 | Skype: stevestroh2 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 
> > http://www.stevestroh.com
> >
>
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