My Man. Brian, Excellent. ---- Original message ---- >Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:53:40 -0500 >From: Brian Rohrbacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices >To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> > > Read it and weep "nay sayers" ;-) > > I found a VAR to work with. > > Prices for canopy 900. > > Connectorized- $262.60 > Integrated- $328.7 > > All details are being posted to "Principal Members List". > You must be a paid WISPA member to take advantage of the > offer. > I'd like to get an estimate of volume to the VAR. > Pay up to WISPA and hit me offlist to how many you think you > could use a month (you won't be committed to this, it's just > for a general idea) > > Brian > > Ron Wallace wrote: > > Go for it Brian, Doesn't matter what others think, if we can save some > money, good. > > Ron Wallace > > ---- Original message ---- > > > Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:58:47 -0500 > From: Brian Rohrbacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices > To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> > > I have never done a group buy, but this is how I would approach it. > > First step. Principal Members only. You want a deal, fork over 200 > some bucks and support the industry. > Second step. Find 10 people who want ten units. (500 if possible, > > > but > > > prolly 100 pack to start) > Third step. Go to moto website and look up resellers. > fourth step. Call resellers and get quote. Say "look here. I have a > buying group. I want 100 SMs, charged to 10 credit cards and shipped > > > to > > > 10 addresses. Send me a quote to email" Forward quote to next > > > reseller > > > and go from there. Whoever is cheaper wins. If they want the > > > business > > > of the buying group, they better figure out how to cut a deal. Am I > acting like a know it all Charles? Would all the resellers say screw > you if I approached like this? > If all resellers say we can't do this.....then I would (big trust > > > here) > > > run all cards through paypal and pay with one lump sum and re ship > > > from > > > here. Now add the 1.9% for paypal and add more for extra > shipping....don't know what that would be, but it would be figured > before hand. > > I just made all that up, but it seems like it would work. Only > > > question > > > is how warranty is handled. By MAC addy or by who bought the radio. > > Someone let me know if my approach is out of line. Never done this > > > and > > > might be reinventing the wheel (I hope it rolls) > > Brian > > A. Huppenthal wrote: > > > > Charles, > > I know you don't support the idea of group buys. Enough said. Fact > > > is > > > I've done group buys with high-end equipment before - it wasn't > difficult at all. If you are comparing a public distributor to a > closed membership buying club, you aren't comparing apples to > > > apples. > > > I sure as hell don't want to create a distributor organization. > > However, as our discussion continues, I might be willing to send > > > Jim, > > > George, Brian or whomever offers a group buy $2600 for 10 Canopy SMs > if the buy is 100 units and we're all lined up. I don't need > > > support, > > > training, stocking, any of the services that distributors offer. > Frankly, I don't need my distributor under cutting me to sell direct > to customers. You have your pros and cons for going to distributors > for *everything*. Certainly what's being discussed here isn't > pretending to create a distributor that has *everything*.. > > Frankly I think the board with the exception of myself, uniformly > doesn't support group buys. > > The buyers create the relatonship for the purpose of the buy, it > > > ends > > > when the product is delivered. > > > Charles Wu wrote: > > > > <snip> > You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up > eating the organization and the organization becomes caught up in > being a volume club. > </snip> > > We all know that there's more to a WISP than just putting up an AP > > > and > > > getting a T1 line > > Having run both a WISP and a distribution company, I can personally > attest > to the fact that there's more to distribution (which is what your > proposing) > than breaking up a 500 pack amongst WISP > > Have you considered all the risks / implications that the buying > > > group > > > faces? For starters, there's the question of payment -- given that > > > the > > > buying group has no / limited credit, chances are that any vendor > > > will > > > require cash up front for the purchase > > So, for example, say Motorola Canopy is the product WISPA chooses > Then WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ $100k to purchase > > > that 500 > > > pack (at say, $200 / unit for simplicity's sake) > Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a warehouse to store > stuff > Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a shipper/logistics > guy to > repackage / ship stuff > > On top of that, chances are, 50% of the WISPs who committed to > purchasing > the packs will renege and/or delay their deliveries due to > > > unforseen > > > things > that always happen in deployments (e.g., lightning, customers > > > don't > > > sign > on, interference from competitor, DSL coming to town) > > So now, WISPA / Buying Group needs to hire a sales guy to sell > > > excess > > > units > > Now, you've added overhead (and you need to add an administrative > > > fee / > > > margin to compensate) > > In the meantime, either > > 1. Motorola to announce a 50% price reduction in their Canopy line, > and all > WISPA members now wanting the new lower price (therefore causing a > > > huge > > > loss) > 2. Trango (or some other company) to come out w/ the new "flavor of > > > the > > > month" and no one wanting the inventory anymore, sticking WISPA w/ > > > $100k > > > worth of boat anchors > > -Charles > > > ------------------------------------------- > CWLab > Technology Architects > http://www.cwlab.com > > > > > -- > Brian Rohrbacher > Reliable Internet, LLC > www.reliableinter.net > Cell 269-838-8338 > > "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > Ron Wallace > Hahnron, Inc. > 220 S. Jackson St. > Addison, MI 49220 > > Phone: (517) 547-8410 > Mobile: (517) 605-4542 > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > Brian Rohrbacher > Reliable Internet, LLC > www.reliableinter.net > Cell 269-838-8338 > > "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 >________________ >-- >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson St. Addison, MI 49220
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