"...if you think for one minute you are slowing them down or
keeping them out of a specific territory by doing this.."
Thats why god invented the canopy cluster...
Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mac Dearman
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 4:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP
It is as simple as knowing the MAC addy of your Access Point. You would
have to be either pretty stupid or a complete Newbie to the wireless
world to let a fake SSID trip you up.
Kurt - - if you think for one minute you are slowing them down or
keeping them out of a specific territory by doing this - - you are the
Newbie :-)
Mac Dearman
Maximum Access, LLC.
www.inetsouth.com
www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts)
318-728-8600 - Rayville
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Tom DeReggi wrote:
>> How can I avoid my competition doing this to me?
>
>
> Yes, Hide SSID. However, that does not help, if you are offering a
> self signup service where seeing the SSID is what brings in the
> subscriber in the first place. I suggest Virtual APs, so monthly
> subscribers can be transitioned to a different SSID. In other words
> advertise one, and then after you qualify them and have their contact
> info, mail them a new preferred SSID to use, that is not broadcasted.
>
> But the only real thing you can do about it is to deploy gear that
> does not have that limitation. One of the reasons, we deploy Trango,
> that has connection security built in.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Rohrbacher"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 11:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP
>
>
>> How can I avoid my competition doing this to me? Hide SSID and
>> change it every so often?
>>
>> Tom DeReggi wrote:
>>
>>> I have to agree with John. I can't see the benefit of resorting to
>>> those type of poor neighbor policies. First off, I'd be embaressed
>>> to admit it openly on the list. Second you are borderlining on
>>> legality. You just provided evidence that you purposely attempt to
>>> degrade another businesses ability to do business, where you'd
>>> likely lose now in a suit for tortuous interference (or what ever
>>> that is called), if ever taken up against you. Secondly, anything
>>> you do to them, ultimately can be done back to you, if they get work
>>> of your tactics.
>>>
>>> Its been proven many time over, that friendly neighbor policies far
>>> better mutually benefit WISPs. I'd advise re-tinking your strategy.
>>>
>>> At minimum, if the goal was to get your competitors's clients to
>>> associate to you, the las tthing you'd want to point out to them is
>>> that your network would be vulnerable to the same tactics that your
>>> neighbor was. You expose the flaws in Wifi, and you ALSO provide
>>> wifi. If you insisted on tactics to steal their association, you'd
>>> be much better off, having their clients connect to you, and then
>>> you pass them to your captive portal signup page, with a splash page
>>> for better rates and/or performance options, with an option to
>>> continue at low bandwdith. The last thing you want to do is play
>>> Thug tactics, (sorta like mafia protection money), stating we are
>>> the ones destroying your ability to use the Internet, pay us, or
>>> don't communicate at all. No one wants to buy service from someone
>>> that they've developed animosity towards.
>>>
>>> Tom DeReggi
>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Scrivner"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 12:27 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP
>>>
>>>
>>>> Short of frustrating potential customers I cannot fathom what
>>>> positive effect this process has. Please enlighten me how this is a
>>>> good thing to do.
>>>> Scriv
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I do that too, 3 competitors have towers all within ¼ mile of each
>>>>> other, I put their ssid in my AP but turn the broadcast off, their
>>>>> clients associate to me and I deny all their access so when they
>>>>> try to hook up customers it looks like their connected but they
>>>>> cant figure out why it doesnt work, keeps them from signing up
>>>>> clients in my area.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>>>>
>>>>> WAVELINC
>>>>>
>>>>> 114 S. Walnut St.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>>>>
>>>>> 419-562-6405
>>>>>
>>>>> www.wavelinc.com
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Rick Smith
>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:12 AM
>>>>> *To:* 'WISPA General List'
>>>>> *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP
>>>>>
>>>>> actually, I was kidding about the competitor thing, wanted to see
>>>>> if it'd start a fire. It's something I'd thought of, but you can't
>>>>> route based on Virtual AP SSID
>>>>>
>>>>> Having an invididual hotspot page per virtual SSID would be cool,
>>>>> on a wholesale level...
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Scott Reed
>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:44 AM
>>>>> *To:* WISPA General List
>>>>> *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP
>>>>>
>>>>> What happens when a potential customer sees the competition's
>>>>> name? They call the competitor who says, "We don't do that." Then
>>>>> what, do you get called by the competitor?
>>>>> I guess my question is, how does advertising the competitor's name
>>>>> help you?
>>>>>
>>>>> I like the wholesale idea though. I may have to pursue that in the
>>>>> future.
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott Reed
>>>>> Owner
>>>>> NewWays
>>>>> Wireless Networking
>>>>> Network Design, Installation and Administration
>>>>> www.nwwnet.net <http://www.nwwnet.net/>
>>>>>
>>>>> The season is Christmas, not X-mas, not the holiday, but
>>>>> Christmas, because
>>>>> Christ was born to provide salvation to all who will believe!
>>>>>
>>>>> *---------- Original Message -----------*
>>>>> From: Rick Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:15:08 -0500
>>>>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, I create virtual SSIDs for all my competitors names (they
only
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> do DSL) :)
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also wholesale service off one of my towers via 2.4 and 900 mhz
to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> a local computer guy that likes to see his name "in the air" -
>>>>>
>>>>>> the virtual SSID thing was a natural win...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not sure about the broadcast thing...haven't seen a performance
hit
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> because of the virtual ssid's ...
>>>>>
>>>>>> R
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Behalf Of Pete Davis
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:57 AM
>>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Virtual AP
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mikrotik APs have the capability to create a "Virtual AP" with a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> secondary SSID, but I haven't found much documentation about it.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Has anyone used this feature much? I could see this being useful
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> during a transitional period, while you are changing the SSID, so
>>>>>
>>>>>> you can access the CPE with the "old" ssid.
>>>>>> I could also see this being useful for colocating two companies
on
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> the same tower/AP, like if you have an ISP geared toward
>>>>>
>>>>>> residential service, and another company name/marketing scheme
for
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> business customers.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know what kind of performance impact there is when you
>>>>>> create
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> a bunch of APs on one radio.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had a wierd thought about this, however: If I have 40 clients
>>>>>> on an
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> AP, and set up 40 "virtual AP's" on the network with each
>>>>>
>>>>>> client on his own SSID, do they count as 40 PTP links, allowing
>>>>>> me to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> kick up the antenna gain like with the CPE?
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does the virtual AP really broadcast a secondary SSID, or does it
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> switch between the two rapidly, kind of like a poor man's Time
>>>>>
>>>>>> Division Multiplexing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pete Davis
>>>>>> NoDial.net
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