Tom: You can find pretty comprehensive listings at :
www.voipcatalog.com www.voipproviderslist.com Garrett VoIPSupply.com -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 8:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VOIP - and rants Yes, but I have not ever blocked anyone. I am making hypothetical comments. However your point is well taken. > level3 same plan. The differnce is Level 3 lets me know the plan upfront. Second, LEVEL3 may deserve the right to charge. Level3 is not a new startup like CommPartners. Level3 is leading the country as a national tier1 transit provider. They are the big fish, and they probably have the right to act like one, and demand any terms that they want. . > There are 1200 VOIP Providers. Do you know where to find that list of 1200 providers? I've found only about enough to fill one hand full of fingers, regarding wholesale. > The billing is the key. Thats exactly why I do not want to go through a third party. I either want my partner to bill my client directly, or I want to villthem and only have one bill to cross reference the one from the carrier that tracks it and provides it. Doing VOIP through a middle man will be a nightmare from the billing point of view. That need to be avoided at all cost. Try and get a credit, when the overbilling start, going through a third party. I'vebeen there done that. With one compnay the over billing got to be over $20,000 a month. I had no recourse to cure it, as I had no agreement with the provider tracking the costs, and the reseller wouldn't fix it for me or waive it until the provider did. It becomes a nightmare. Must be avoided. A perfect reason why companies like Commpartners should do direct deals not through resellers. ONce they have a billing system in palce that can accommodate the middle man and cure the man in the middle billing headaches, thats fine, build a resller middle man channel. But until then, dont do it. Blocking may not be the right approach. I'm undecided. > Maybe someone else can get around those issues. They can't. Exactly why I suggest Commpartners should go direct and avoid the problems of a middle man. And why I didn;t suggest a COOP, like some people misunderstood. My goal is to simplify billing not make it more complex. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VOIP - and rants > Tom, > > This huge thread about CP is amazing. > If you don't want to use them, or don't like their business plan. Fine. > It is the same plan that Level(3) has, so I don't understand the big deal. > You seem really peeved about the initial fee. How is that any different > than an install fee? > There are 1200 VOIP Providers. Go get one and get rolling. > Not all of them get your plan. Heck, many of them, don't get my business > plan and view of the world, but that's life. > I work with the ones that do - clients and vendors. > > About the volume buying: > We (II4A - www.ii4a.org) spoke with CP and others about volume buying DSL, > VOIP, DBS, etc. > The billing is th key. No one (I have spoken with) wants to bill > individual ISPs under a Volume umbrella. > Most want to bill II4A and then II4A bills its members. > Two problems: > Billing is overhead that increases the cost of the service (by about $2 > per bill). > Collections and cash flow - you have 15 days to pay. How do you collect > from all the coop members? > What if a few can't or won't pay? It affects EVERYONE else's business. > Deposits, automatic debit, ACH, etc. are a pain - and, since I know you > despise initialation fees, would be a barrier to entry for the little guy. > > Those are the realities of volume buying that I have dealt with for 4 > years. > Maybe someone else can get around those issues. > > BTW, a little CYA: > If I was in your market, competing against you and read your comments on > blocking/prioritize, etc., I would use it in my marketing against you. It > would only take a little push and it could knock you down. Trust me on > this. People like controversy more than anything. > > Regards, > > Peter > RAD-INFO, Inc. > 813-963-5884 > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
