<snip> We pay between $0.002 to $0.005 per minute on average for domestic long distance. </snip>
Matt, Out of curiosity...do you mean 2-5 cents per minute? Or 0.2 to 0.5 cents per minute? -Charles ------------------------------------------- WiNOG Austin, TX March 13-15, 2006 http://www.winog.com -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance The notion of avoiding toll costs by working with other WISPs sounds great in theory. From our standpoint, it would cost us more to connect to a single WISP than to pay our entire long distance bill. -Matt Mac Dearman wrote: > I agree with that bit of advice whole heartedly Matt! > > We are in the process of setting up our own VoIP solution as we > speak. I think that by the time that 100 of us WISPs get into our own > VoIP offerings we can allow access from the other WISPs PRI's...etc > for PSTN access to limit the amount of LD charges if their is availble > access from a fellow WISP...etc > > I think everyone of us need to be in our own VoIP business!! I have > even given thought to a Coop kind of deal, but I need to have some > more beer and thoughts on that :-) > > > Mac Dearman > Maximum Access, LLC. > Authorized Barracuda Reseller > MikroTik RouterOS Certified > www.inetsouth.com > www.mac-tel.us > www.RadioResponse.org (Katrina Relief) > Rayville, La. > 318.728.8600 > 318.303.4228 > 318.303.4229 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 1:21 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance > > >> In our case, the most expense part of our VoIP deployment was getting >> our network ready to support it correctly. Whether the backend is >> outsourced doesn't affect the requirement to support end-to-end QoS. >> Therefore, I believe that you should either get in all the way or not >> at all. >> >> The worst thing in the world you could do is bundle a 3rd party >> service that doesn't work very well and then because it is outsourced >> not be able to fix it. >> >> -Matt >> >> Tom DeReggi wrote: >> >>> MAtt, >>> >>> I agree with you on most of your comments. >>> However, there is more to it. >>> >>> Offering VOIP is not just about making money on it. Its about >>> controlling who has access to your subscribers, if one does not have >>> the time to be a VOIP provider themselves. >>> Bundling is a necessarily part of succeeding going in to the >>> future. Its more important that ever to outsource VOIP, if it will >>> likely never be a profitable business. let someone else loose the >>> money, and reap the rewards of bundling today. Give the companies >>> access to your clients that will be the lowest threat. >>> >>> What benefit is it to allow, Vonage, ATT, Comcast, Verizon access to >>> your client base, by allowing your subscribers to choose their VOIP >>> options? >>> >>> So Matt, I agree if the ISP/WISP intends to make significant money >>> on the service, build your own. But don't knock the >>> Primus/CommPartner models, they have their purpose and will enable >>> many WISPs/ISPs to have an option to offer, that don;t have the >>> resources to build their own. >>> >>> What this industry needs to recognize is that there are industry >>> trends that are going to gain market share, because consumers demand >>> them and are willing to buy. They don't care who makes or looses >>> money, they jsut know how to compare retail price they pay to the >>> quality the receive. JUst like Muni broadband, its a reality of >>> something that is going to happen. So my point is, pick the >>> companies that you want to help succeed, and which ones you want to >>> help NOT succeed, because some of them ARE going to succeed. >>> >>> Tom DeReggi >>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 1:09 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance >>> >>> >>>> Primus/Lingo is calling every WISP in the country trying to sign >>>> them up for a very CommPartners like deal. All of these VoIP >>>> providers are using the same shitty model that will be worthless in >>>> 2 years time. There is no money to be made in VoIP short-term >>>> unless you operate your own equipment. Long-term, there is no money >>>> to be made in VoIP at all. VoIP will soon be a loss leader; plan >>>> for it or do get into the VoIP business. >>>> >>>> BTW, Primus makes all their money on international termination. The >>>> domestic stuff is losing money hand over fist. >>>> >>>> -Matt >>>> >>>> John Scrivner wrote: >>>> >>>>> Primus tells me they are more than a VOIP company and that they do >>>>> make money. They impressed me in my dealings with them. Can you >>>>> share more about your information about Primus? I have a big >>>>> interest in knowing anything I can about them right now. >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Scriv >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Peter R. wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> You haven't seen it yet, because Lingo is not profitable yet. >>>>>> Primus owns Lingo and Primus is basically an International VOIP >>>>>> company. >>>>>> >>>>>> Like so many VOIP Providers, they are still trying to figure out >>>>>> how to make a profit. >>>>>> >>>>>> Delta3 (which is the backend for VZ's VoiceWing) made $9.1M in >>>>>> revenue in 4Q05 and just $22k in income. >>>>>> >>>>>> Vonage has a customer acquisition cost that is 20 times their >>>>>> MRC. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Peter >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Jonathan Schmidt wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I've been personally delighted with two years of Lingo giving me >>>>>>> unlimited USA/Canada/EUROPE calling on 7 lines each for >>>>>>> $19.95/month and an unusually rich set of features (like >>>>>>> e-mailing me compressed WAV >>>>>>> files of all incoming voicemails, etc.). >>>>>>> Now, that's retail w/box and support. >>>>>>> I've taken the box on trips and routed it through my laptop >>>>>>> Ethernet while >>>>>>> the laptop is on a V.32 dialup and it works but sounds kind of >>>>>>> like a cell >>>>>>> phone but having my local number with me in Europe and having >>>>>>> unlimited >>>>>>> free calls throughout Europe from Europe or Eastern Europe for ZERO >>>>>>> additional cost is kinda cool. >>>>>>> It's SIP but they keep promising a soft phone for the line, >>>>>>> like Vonaga, but >>>>>>> haven't seen it yet. >>>>>>> . . . j o n a t h a n >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>> >>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>> >>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
