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-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 6:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K Maybe thats a question we should be asking you. What is your friend using for MPLS? I beleive Matt is using all Cisco. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gino A. Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 8:58 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K > Matt, one of my competitors has been doing mpls over fixed wireless since > last year. BTW: what you are using for mpls ? > > Gino A. Villarini > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Matt Liotta > Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 8:17 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K > > QinQ VLAN is interesting and all, but it is no longer the preferred > way to sell layer 2 transport. Certainly, many carriers continue to > use QinQ for this purpose, but that has more to do with legacy issues > than a desire to use the current best practice. With the regulatory > landscape as it is one of the most interesting and important market > segment for WISPs is selling layer 2 transport to carriers. Quite > simply, if a WISP doesn't offer it then there is a high likelihood > someone else will. One of the requirements of layer 2 transport is > the ability to deliver a full 1500 byte payload. This means that > whatever technology is used to create the virtual layer 2 circuit is > going to require a higher MTU. I know we are the only organization > that I am aware of doing MPLS over fixed wireless, but I suspect that > will change in the coming months. Further, older technologies such as > GRE tunnels all require higher MTUs, GRE being the worst requiring an > extra 24 bytes. > > I know this seems like just one feature out of many when selecting a > radio vendor, but it is an absolute requirement for us. Canopy, > Trango, and Orthogon all support this in different ways, but support > it nevertheless. In the same regard, we will never buy a Trango > sector because of its lack of VLAN support. > > -Matt > > On Jun 16, 2006, at 12:06 AM, Patrick Leary wrote: > >> As a non engineer, this is the first I have ever of this as an >> issue and I >> have never heard it from customers, very large or very small. Is >> this a real >> issue (I have already passed the comments to our PLMs for the >> product line) >> for operators? I do know that with firmware version 4.0 these >> radios support >> QinQ VLAN, which I've not heard other UL radios supporting. And one VL >> sector with 4.0 will support 288 concurrent VoIP calls (VoIP only >> play, >> 20MHz channel). That compares to 8-10 per Canopy sector and maybe >> 20 on a >> Trango sector. >> >> Patrick >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tom DeReggi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 1:33 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K >> >> Only 1512 also limits the use of many VPN technologies used to >> tunnel to >> partners, if offering wholesale transport services. >> For example, IPSEC. Microtik allowed us to get over the 1512 >> limit, as long >> >> as we were using WDS. Trango of course allowed the 1600, one of the >> reasons >> that we chose it 5 years ago. Any plans that Alvarion will make >> mods to >> allow larger packets? >> I'd support Matt's comment, that limited to a 1512 MTU could >> severally limit >> >> its viable use for service providers, allthough Corporate clients >> likely >> could care less, as they'd just design around it, since it was for >> their own >> >> network. >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:43 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K >> >> >>> Our setup requires the following: >>> >>> 1500 bytes for payload >>> 4 bytes for VLANs >>> 4 bytes for LDP >>> 4 bytes for EoMPLS header >>> 18 bytes for Ethernet header >>> >>> That means we need an MTU of at least 1530. I only specified 1532 >>> since >>> that is what Canopy and Orthogon use (Trango supports 1600). >>> Unless 1512 >>> is your payload size, not your frame size your radios can't be >>> used to >>> backhaul an MPLS network. >>> >>> -Matt >>> >>> Patrick Leary wrote: >>> >>>> Matt, >>>> >>>> I just got the reply to your question: the maximum packet size is >>>> 1512. >>>> >>>> Patrick Leary >>>> AVP Marketing >>>> Alvarion, Inc. >>>> o: 650.314.2628 >>>> c: 760.580.0080 >>>> Vonage: 650.641.1243 >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June >>>> 15, 2006 >>>> 6:33 AM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K >>>> >>>> Does it support MTUs greater than 1500? More specifically, we are >>>> looking >>>> for an MTU of 1532. >>>> >>>> -Matt >>>> >>>> Patrick Leary wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Okay, be forewarned that so this is a shameless plug, but the >>>>> data from >>>>> >>>> beta >>>> >>>>> testers of our new B100 OFDM point-to-point is worth sharing. In >>>>> the >>>>> Texas >>>>> panhandle one company is getting 62Mbps at 16 miles. In the Big >>>>> Easy, a >>>>> >>>> link >>>> >>>>> is getting 80Mbps, but it is only a one mile shot. One guy in >>>>> Nebraska >>>>> told >>>>> me Tuesday that the B series of radios (B14, B28, and B100) are >>>>> about the >>>>> most simple he has ever used (his WISP has been operational >>>>> since 2001). >>>>> >>>>> The BreezeNET B100 was just announced as a commercial product. >>>>> Like all B >>>>> series, the price includes the antennas when the integrated version >>>>> >>>> (antenna >>>> >>>>> built-in) is bought. A full link has a retail of $7,990. Your >>>>> typical >>>>> discounts apply as well. And remember, since this is OFDM the B >>>>> achieves >>>>> some good NLOS performance in terms of building obstructions and >>>>> sharp >>>>> terrain. >>>>> >>>>> We are pretty excited about this radio as a top choice for WISP >>>>> backhaul. >>>>> >>>> It >>>> >>>>> is targeted as a high capacity, high quality, and really simple to >>>>> install >>>>> backhaul for a very moderate price. >>>>> >>>>> Those of you wanting more info, just drop me an e-mail. >>>>> >>>>> Patrick >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> -- >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> >> ********************************************************************** >> ****** >> ************ >> This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by >> PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & >> computer >> viruses(192). >> ********************************************************************** >> ****** >> ************ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ********************************************************************** >> ****** >> ******** >> This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by >> PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & >> computer >> viruses(43). >> ********************************************************************** >> ****** >> ******** >> >> >> -- >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
