Why don't we as an industry organization start putting net neutrality in clear light. We've got people running around using the "net neutrality" banner to demand unfiltered P2P use, unlimited data transfers, or that QOS NOT be implemented.
I think it would be more constructive if we broke this up a bit and more clearly focused on certain issues: 1. restricting end users from sites "for pay". I think this is THE issue of importance. Can, say, SBC, demand money from content providers for SBC's dsl and dialup customers to reach it? 2. restricting use of a service in TOS agreements with contracted customer. ( limits on transfer, hosting prohibitions, etc, etc) 3. Network operations. (blocking malicious traffic, broadcast packets, QOS, blah blah) I see all three of these mixed together under the banner of "net neutrality" and I think it has done a huge amount ot cloud the debate and discussion, rather than enlighten or resolve anything. The big guys are saying "If you want ot reach OUR customers, pay us", while at the same time, telling thier customers "if you want to reach the internet, pay us" - but I don't see anything telling thier customers "you won't be able reach, or you'll have slow access to this list of sites unless they pay us as well!". Frankly, I'm all for letting anyone run thier network any way they wish. But that the customer have protection, in the following manner... That any ISP that engages in the practice outlined under #1, be required to disclose that to thier customers, and that they have a publicly available list of all "restricted" or "degraded" sites for anyone and everyone to examine at thier leisure. And if they don't, thier customers can sue them. This is a "consumer protection" law that is relatively non-intrusive, and certainly doesn't restrict network operations. In fact, it wouldn't be bad to apply #2 and #3 partly to this kind of law, as well. I don't think it needs to be federal, certainly state laws are more than sufficient. As a provider's association, WISPA should be issueing press releases and lobbying to make this an informed debate and clear up some of the confusion about "net neutrality" and to bring some clarity and clarity to the issues brought up. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net neutrality > I understood Charles post regarding net neutrality, that you summarized also > very clearly. > My point is that Net Neutrality conflicts with other laws and regulations as > well. > So voting for some thing for one reason, could also mean voting against it > for another. > > For a strong Net NEtrality act, you'd aahve to allow FON, but for other > leegal matters, you'd have to deny FON. So it becomes a compflict of which > issue is more important to protect? Whcih has precidence? > > Thats what Congress and ISPs have to decide. Its not a right ro wrong > answer. Its what answer has more (or more important) rights than wrongs? > > I think Home Land Security/Law inforcement/ Privacy advocates, and Net > Neutrality experets really need to be ALL working on the Net neutrality > issue together, because its all intertwined. What I see happening is a > bunch of conflicting regulations being passed, with out rtealizing it when > getting voted on. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 2:13 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? - back to net > neutrality > > > >I think what Charles is getting at is, is it legal for an ISP to place the > >'no open AP' or 'no sharing your connection' restriction on your service? > >I have heard some people arguing the case that NN is "I'm paying for my > >bandwidth so I can do what I want to with it". > > > > > > Sam Tetherow > > Sandhills Wireless > > > > Tom DeReggi wrote: > > > >> If it was, then it would be illegal to block hackers and criminals from > >> using your network as well. > >> As FON clearly has no concern for Acceptable Use Policiies, therefore > >> illegal activity, and AUPs are clearly allowable and enforcable > >> contracts. > >> Strategically its a great time for FON to release their venture, to test > >> the rules, the public, and ISPs. > >> Tom DeReggi > >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> *From:* Charles Wu <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> *To:* 'WISPA General List' <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> > >> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:32 AM > >> *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] www.fon.com <http://www.fon.com> - a threat > >> to us all? - back to net neutrality > >> > >> out of curiosity (would like input from the pro net neutral > >> people) -- would blocking something like FON constitute a > >> violation of net neutrality? > >> -Charles > >> > >> ------------------------------------------- > >> CWLab > >> Technology Architects > >> http://www.cwlab.com > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Rick Smith > >> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 28, 2006 8:41 AM > >> *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List > >> *Subject:* [WISPA] www.fon.com - a threat to us all? > >> > >> Anyone seen FON ? This is insane. > >> Anyone test one yet ? I want to know what network their > >> hotspot runs back to, so I can block it.... > >> Can someone that might have one throw a sniffer against it ? > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> -- > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >> > >> !DSPAM:16,44a2c5c4194921117628507! > > > > > > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
