Sounds like a mighty long ROI...... c -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 12:25 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] EarthLink Unwires Anaheim, Announces Wholesale Program
Earthlink primarily uses Tropos mesh, with about 40-50 nodes per square mile backhauled with Canopy 5GHz on about a 1:3 (mesh:Canopy) ratio. Patrick -----Original Message----- From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] EarthLink Unwires Anaheim, Announces Wholesale Program Can you tell us how this network is structured? How many Tropos units per backhaul radio are used? What platform is used for backhaul? Is it 5, 2.4 or 900 for backhaul? How is the performance of this network? Anything else you can share is appreciated. Scriv Anthony Will wrote: > Im in MN where the city of Chaska has had a large tropos network > running for a couple years. About 80% of in home customers have to > purchase a "wireless modem" (CB3) to get a stable signal in their home. > > Anthony Will > Broadband Corp. > > On 7/3/06, *Charles Wu* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > Hi Tom, > > The WHOLE PURPOSE of a WiFi Mesh Network Strategy is to AVOID THE > COST OF > THE CPE & TRUCK ROLL > > Now -- whether this theory works in practice is a whole nother issue > > -Charles > > P.S. FWIW - personally, I find the the concept (from an ROI > perspective) of > a service provider WiFi mesh to be a bit far-fetched, but then > again, 10 > years ago, I told the founder of half.com <http://half.com> that > you was bonkers, and proceded > to get into the wireless biz =/ > > ------------------------------------------- > CWLab > Technology Architects > http://www.cwlab.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] On > Behalf Of Tom DeReggi > Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 3:03 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] EarthLink Unwires Anaheim, Announces > Wholesale Program > > > The primary difference being that in the Canopy Fixed Wireless you are > including end user CPE. The largest cost to detur take rate when > WISPS make > subs pay for it. > > Its likely that one can assume that many of the subscribers will > need to > install outdoor equipment (adding $100-$300 BUCKS), to reliably > connect to > the mesh. So you could easilly add $1.5 million to the mesh cost > for CPE, > or remove $1.5million from the Fix Wireless plan if you were going to > compare apples to apples. > > What Mesh still has on its side is mobility. The question is what > value > should a WISP put on that. Mobility can be easilly be the reason > to justify > why a muni should support a oublic interest project. (cable and > DSL go to > the home but NOT mobile for teh community to share.). Mobilty > also allow > Muni type applications, such as to support travelling users > (commerce), or > Mobile government work force. Mesh also gives Muni bargining > power in the > deployment, as it uses an asset of value that the governement has > to trade > and offer (easements, light poles, and power from them). > > In a Fixed Wireless deployment it could easilly be argued that teh > givernemnt has little assets of value to the provider. Its usually > the > independant property owners tht have the preferred assets for signal > distribution. For example, in my county, I am allowed free access > to city > infrastructure as a requirement that allowed tower building > restrictions to > be passed years ago. But yet I chose to pay for broadcast sites, > because teh > > Governement do not own the best sites that are advantageous to me. > > Part of my point is that its not jsut the radios costs that are > relevant. > > I'm starting to think that the Tropos, use all verticle, use only one > channel all across the network, design may not be to bad an ideas > after all. > If it solves the challenge to get mobility well, and does not work > well for > subs inside their homes, it still allows lots of spectrum for the high > quality Fixed Wireless providers. > > Part of the arguement is that its possible that MESH may be the > only way to > get mobilty well. And maybe the answer is to deliver it with the > least > impact on everyone else. > > Of course Alvarion mobile products have shown otherwise for > vehichle mobile > solutions. > > So what would happen if more Fixed Wireless manufacturers made > Mobile CPEs? > Would it get rid of some of teh need of mesh? Sure mesh gives > person/laptop > mobility, but will any one really use it? There is a good > arguement that if > > usage of hotspots is low in public areas (parks, cafes, etc) it > would be > even lower on the streets and such. There is still very little > evidence > that communities will get the MESH signal insidet heir home > reliably without > > external CPE equipment. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles Wu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 1:43 PM > Subject: RE: [WISPA] EarthLink Unwires Anaheim, Announces > Wholesale Program > > > >a whole 49 square feet, eh ? Real hard. :) > > Some interesting thoughts for Friday > > I forget the exact numbers, but Tropos recommends something like > 20 APs / > square mile to get 95% coverage at b/g rates > > 49 square miles = 49*20 ~ 960 Aps > > Part# MTR-52103000-500AA is a 500 pack of HotZone Aps on their > price sheet > that goes for about $1.5 million list So that's $3 million in Aps > -- for > simplicity -- lets assume that mounting hardware, power taps, etc > is equal > to the equivalent in discount Then we need to add in the additional > infrastructure, like backhaul SMs, Routers, Servers, etc and the > services > required to install / implement the system... > > Experience from a similar type deployment (~40 square miles) pegs > the entire > project at about $5 million for E,F&I > > Market Data: > > Census information puts Anaheim w/ a population of 328k people (97k > households) > Median income for a household is $47k > According to the March 2006 PEW Internet report -- in 2006, 46% of the > population that makes between $30-75k / year have broadband at > home So the > total addressable broadband market in Anaheim is 46k subscribers > of which > 99% today are probably using some sort of landline cable / dsl > broadband > solution that is bundled together w/ their TV/phone service > > With a 10% penetration rate (that's ~5k subscribers) -- total > revenue comes > out to about $110k / month > > Assuming ZERO marketing, provisioning, customer service, > bandwidth, support, > repair costs -- the breakeven point for this system is 5 years (ouch) > > Lets look at fixed wireless > > 49 square miles is basically equivalent to a 4 mile ring around a > tower > Remember > > Area = (Pie)(R)^2 > A = 3.14*4^2 > > A Canopy SM (averaged b/n 900 & 5 Ghz) costs about $300 complete (w/ > antenna, mounting hardware, power supply, etc) A Canopy AP costs > about $2k > complete (dividing up GPS sync, etc) > > 5k Canopy SMs would cost me about $1.5 million > The associated install costs (@ $50 / install) costs about $250k > At 50 SMs / > AP -- the AP costs runs around $250k Infrastructure / Hardware / > Switches / > Site Ac / Engineering / etc would cost about $100k (remember -- > this is only > a 4 mile radius =) > > Interesting Thoughts: > > Moto-Mesh System Cost to service 5k customers within 49 square > miles: $5 > million Canopy Fixed Wireless System Cost to service 5k customers > within 49 > square > miles: $2.5 million > > Hrm... > > -Charles > > > > ------------------------------------------- > CWLab > Technology Architects > http://www.cwlab.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] On > Behalf Of Rick Smith > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 6:46 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; WISPA General List > Subject: RE: [WISPA] EarthLink Unwires Anaheim, Announces > Wholesale Program > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] On > Behalf Of Peter R. > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 12:19 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] EarthLink Unwires Anaheim, Announces Wholesale > Program > > EarthLink Unwires Anaheim, Announces Wholesale Program By Tara > Seals Posted > on: 06/29/2006 > > EarthLink Inc. launched a municipal Wi-Fi broadband network in > Anaheim, > Calif., and announced a wholesale Wi-Fi access strategy on Thursday. > > EarthLink has won bids in several cities to provide citywide wireless > Internet access, including Philadelphia and San Francisco, but > Anaheim is > its first commercial launch. It's also the first piece of a > strategy to > create a nationwide footprint of municipal Wi-Fi networks by tying > together > all EarthLink municipal markets under one service. > > Hand in hand with creating the footprint will be an open-access > wholesale > program. The ISP already has two national wholesale partners, > announced > today: PeoplePC Inc., EarthLink's wholly owned subsidiary, and > DIRECTV. It > also plans to partner with local ISPs that want to provide Wi-Fi > service in > their respective markets. > > The portable, wireless service will provide high-speed Internet > access for > residents, businesses, visitors and municipal employees. Anaheim's > 49-square-foot buildout is expected to be completed by the fourth > quarter. > Curt Pringle, the mayor of the city, officially unwired the city at a > wire-cutting ceremony this morning. > > "The days when Anaheim residents, workers and visitors are tied to > a desk to > access an affordable broadband network are coming to an end," said > Garry > Betty, president and CEO of EarthLink. "The launch of this network > enables > people to make a choice about how, and from where, they want to > access the > Internet securely." > > For $21.95 a month, Anaheim subscribers receive eight mailboxes and > protection tools such as a spam blocker and security, and will be > able to > access the Internet from across the municipality, whether sitting > in a park, > at a café or elsewhere. Customers also can purchase a Wi-Fi modem for > at-home use. In addition, EarthLink has reached a nonbinding > agreement with > AOL LLC and is discussing ways to offer its AOL.com content and > Web assets > on the municipal footprint. > > The network also will serve city departments and businesses; > EarthLink's > wireless network offers speeds comparable to existing T1 > solutions, the > company says. > > For occasional-use customers, EarthLink offers rates ranging from > $3.95 for > a one-hour pass to $15.95 for a three-day pass. Occasional-use > customers > will connect and access account information from the EarthLink > portal page. > > Consumers can visit www.EarthLink.net/wifi > <http://www.EarthLink.net/wifi> and provide their phone numbers > and addresses to see if the network has been built out in their > area. If > unavailable, they will be added to a waiting list and will be > notified when > the service is available. > > As for infrastructure, EarthLink has deployed Tropos Networks' > MetroMesh > Wi-Fi routers on light poles throughout the city to form a > wireless mesh > that is operated and optimized using Tropos Control and Tropos > Insight, a > suite of end-to-end configuration, monitoring and maintenance tools. > EarthLink also uses Motorola's MOTOwi4 portfolio of products, > including the > Canopy high-speed backhaul and Wi-Fi mesh network equipment. > > > EarthLink Inc. 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