Tom,
The other issue regarding RB532 or StarOS on a WAR board is the lack of
FCC certification.
Travis
Microserv
Tom DeReggi wrote:
Travis,
How would the WAR/V3 solution have worked any better than the
Routerboard 532 solution?
The WAR board has faster CPU, and can push the full 35 mbps. The
solution needed to be a fully outdoor mountable system.
You had to know that the RB532 would only do about 20Mbps of actual
throughput, so why would you quote that to begin with?
Actually not at the time I quotes. It was a big undersight on my
part, I should have know based on our many list debates from months
earlier. From previous testing months earlier I understood that I
could get 14-15Mbps second with one CM9 at 10 miles. I had Atheros
capabilty on mind, and forgot about CPU need. So I thought that when
I used Nstreme2 combining 2 CM9s or Turbo Mode or both I'd get double
speed thus 30mb (I forgot Nstreme was for Full Duplex instead of
channel combining when quoting, where was my head?) . What I learned
two weeks ago in lab testing, preparing for the install, after quoting
the customer, was that the bottleneck was the Mainboard CPU speed.
When I realized my mistake, I called the customer and converted the
quote to a Trango unit, which I thought should work best to meet spec.
The big mistake I made was that I forgot all about WAR boards. The
quote specificed True bridging, and at the time I did not realize that
StarOS V3 supported True Bridging. I learned after the fact, that it
does. It was an important client of mine, and I did not want to use
something that I had not tested or used yet personally, So I ate the
profit margin based on time constraints and maintaining
professionalism not jerking the customer around with new solutions
every day. The reason I was limited by Trango, is that Trango has a
web presence and lists retail costs, which my customer will see when
they inquire about what we are providing them, when I sell StarOS or
Mikrotik it is an OEM solution, so they do not have a reference of
what my solution is typically sold at, as its branded as our radio brand.
I like Trango alot for my needs as an ISP. It gives me the remote
troubleshooting tool and management features I need. But when I sell
a link to a end user, they don;t need those same benefits. The OEM
solution easilly met their need from a softwre perspective, if not
more, with the added routing OS type features.
My take on this is that for the reseller, OEM Branded WAR/StarOSV3
system (or Mikrotik within its speed capabilties) is the solutions
that will allow integrators to make maximum profit margins. For
example, I'd argue that for resale, it could pass traffic equivellent
to the Alvarion BH100, and the $1000 solution could be sold for up to
$7000 maximizing profit potential, or at least a couple $1000 markup.
I'm not saying the more expensive main brand gear doesn;t have unique
valuable features wirth buying the gear for, I'm jsut saying the
unique feature of the WAR solution, is that it now has reached the
speed capacity of the many high cost PtP solutions, (Redline,
Orhtogon, Ceragon, Avlarion, Etc) and can compete on the criteria of
speed.
I usually do not make purchasing decissions on resale advantages,
because I am usually a provider that buys product for my own use, and
its not about the profit, its about the benefit of features to me as
the user. But this case was a resale transaction that I did, and from
a resale point of view, it solved the customer's problem, but it did
not solve mine, which was to maximize profitabilty of the job. (of
course I got labor fee, that helped).
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Atlas success story
Tom,
How would the WAR/V3 solution have worked any better than the
Routerboard 532 solution? You had to know that the RB532 would only
do about 20Mbps of actual throughput, so why would you quote that to
begin with?
Travis
Microserv
Tom DeReggi wrote:
Just completed install for client, that we quoted blind. The
supposed Near-LOS partial freznel obstruction from a building,
unfortuneately turned out to really mean NON-LOS through thick row
of pine trees between buildings. Buildings were probably 600 yards
away from each other. The Trango built-in antenna model installed
pulled 46 mbps throughput and zero packet loss, perfect link.
WooHoo. (I know short distance, but pine trees scare me, and often
have unpredictable results even when doing 900Mhz).
Only negative thing was Trango made the profit, allowing me only to
make $200 markup, instead of the original $1500, that I had
originally covered in my quote with a Routerboard 532 solution, that
didn't get the 30mbps capacity requirement. My pocket book, wishes I
had the War/V3 solution a week earlier :-(
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom DeReggi"
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Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: StarOS
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
----- Original Message ----- From: "cw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:44 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Re: StarOS
With the nazi administration currently in power, one should think
twice before deciding someone shouldn't be allowed to say or write
things. But, I must say this statement is like a Linux loon
calling FreeBSD crap. - cw
JohnnyO wrote:
I was not interested in reading posts labled Routerboard 532 and
Star-OS
crap. If I were interested in Star-OS crap instead of Mikrotik,
then I
would look for posts labled Star-OS !
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