I did direct tv for years. Still do. You really have to read the rules to do a install and be sure you are in the clear. For instance, you can not just bolt a satellite arm on the wall even if it is not a common area. Thats why you see alot of 5 gallon buckets of concrete with pipes in them. From memory I do not think you are allowed to drill through the wall either. I used to use a 6" or so "flat cable" coupler that the window would close on. I would try to do the install in the late evenings after the managment office closed and leave a copy of the Otard rule with the tennant with my phone# on the front of it. Joe Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Leary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 5:19 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Legal insight? - OTARD VS Property Managers
Mike, they can prevent you from roof mounting if it is a multi-tenant, multi-floor sort of building. If your customer rents a townhouse style, you should have access. Maybe they can prevent you from holing the roof itself for under some loop hole that protects them from risks to the structure, but certainly they could not prevent an eave mount. 100% they cannot prevent a mount on a subscribers' balcony. Here is the FCC factsheet on the issue: http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 12:42 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Legal insight? - OTARD VS Property Managers When I read the otard rules it seems to me that they CAN stop you from mounting on the roof. The only place you could mount was tenant exclusive areas. Basically the balcony attached to the apartment. I hope I misread it though. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Halsted Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 2:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Legal insight? - OTARD VS Property Managers Marlon, Just curious, have you ever had to force this issue with property management? I imagine this could be a difficult fight to win for a WISP. What happens at the end of the day when the Property Manager tells the WISP to shove off? Legal action? For what, potential lost subscribers? "- Can property managers prevent my subscribers from having an externally mounted antenna? mks: No. OTARD covers wisps too." -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 11:13 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Legal insight? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Leary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 2:29 PM Subject: [WISPA] Legal insight? This outta be a fun and interesting thread: mks: You are one mean drunk, Superman! As it relates to this space, rate the following 1-10 (1 being high priority and 10 being "I could care a less") in terms of important if you could bend the mind of top legal experts to get an opinion. Add other questions you like answered in your reply. mks: I guess I'm a bit confused. Those are not really 1 thru 10 type questions. Those are questions begging answers. I'll try to do both though. Comment or add to this list: - What good is Form 477 mks: It's the ONLY official head count of broadband customers. 1 and do we really need to file it? mks: Absolutely. Without known customers we have NO value in the food chain. The more customers we have the more power we have. 1 - Does CALEA affect me? mks: Still trying to figure that one out. I've got a note in to the FCC for some clarification on this issue. 3 How? When? How do I solve it without it costing an arm and a leg? mks: Not only that, but it is really any of MY buisiness what my customers do on the net? If someone thinks there's a problem with a customer, come to me with a search warrent and the needed tools for the search (just like you would come to my house....) and have fun. No one is going to want everything they've ever done on the internet saved forever. That's the kind of silly crap that the Nazis and Soviets did. Look where it got them. 2 - What's the real risk, if any, of not using certified systems? mks: Realistically? Little or no risk. Although, under the rules changes from 2005 it's pretty hard to be out of certification these days. Power levels, that's a whole nother issue though. Gotta pay attention to them! 5 - What does it mean to have a "certified system" in the first place? mks: It means that ALL of your radio gear, clear down to the cable level, has made it past the FCC and is certified to work within certain parameters. Note: I did NOT say work as advertized :-). 8 - Don't the revised rules allow me to make the choice about what base station antennas I wish to use? mks: Yes. 3 - How is 3650 coming along and how do it look like it will shape up? mks: Great question. I sure wish I could get something out of the FCC. Sinces it's an issue on the table at this time they won't talk to me. Will they change the rules that they put out for us last year? I hope not. 1 - Does the FCC really read comments I file on anything? mks: Yes. Even the late filings. 3 How important (and difficult) is it for me to officially voice my comments? mks: Within WISPA it's easy. When we find out about issues that mater to the industry we file on the issue. We also point out EXACTLY how our membership can also file on the issue. EVERYTHING that the FCC does, rules wise, comes from the written reccord. If you don't voice your thoughts they CAN'T legally act on them. And it has to be in writing, you can't just call in and tell them what you want them to do. 3 - What the deal with the TV bands? mks: I'm loosing hope on this one. The broadcasters are very powerful. And they seem to be willing to pull out all of the stops on this. Clear down to a 60 Minutes exploding gas tank version of the truth. And because we, as an industry, aren't good at filling out our 477s we're not even give "pimple on the but" status these days. The current chairman at the FCC has turned out to be far less of a fan of the entrepenure than Powell was and that's not gonna help either. 1+ - Are there realistic options for WISPs to get licensed bands? mks: Not at this time. I know people have done so. But lets look at the real numbers here. Last I heard the latest auction raised 14 billion dollars. Lets say that over the next 5 years that spectrum services, oh, 500,000 subscribers. That's 28,000 per subscriber! At a profit of $10 per broadband subscriber per month that gives us a 2,800 month payback on the investment. Heck, get 1,000,000 subs and it's still not gonna add up to anything but another huge dent in the broadband rollout. Auctions only do two things. They put money into the government coffers and took $14,000,000,000 out of the equipment, labor, marketing, etc. markets. Auctions don't work for the consumer. Only for the government, and once in a great while, the speculator. 2 - Do I have to cooperate with other area WISP? mks: You don't HAVE to. But it's a very good idea. Remember, the ultimate goal should be to service customers. Anything you do to screw up your competitors also makes YOUR system look bad. 1 - Is there such a thing as "malicious interference"? mks: You bet. Fortunately, it's quite rare. 8 - Does any other WISP or operator have any priority over me with unlicensed bands? mks: Legally, maybe. FCC wise, no. Best practices? Sure thing. The last guy in has to work around the ones already there. 1 - When should an STA be asked for and what uses are prohibited with STA's? mks: What's an sta? - What are the biggest "gotchas" when entering into a site acquisition lease? mks: Liability and property transfer. All of our contracts are written up as an easment and are auto renewing. 5 - Can property managers prevent my subscribers from having an externally mounted antenna? mks: No. OTARD covers wisps too. 8 mks: USF reform needs to be discussed. Heck, it needs to be fixed. I think that the quickest and easiest and fairest way to do it is to lump broadband providers into the same pot as the current folks. Whatever gets done in an area today would also get done for the broadband providers. Then, in 10 years, cut it off. Or taper it down over 5 more years or something. Give people the money that's needed to build networks out today. Then, in 10 years they'll have multiple providers in every area, when the 10 years is up. If people haven't built a good network able to stand on it's own then that's just too bad. The dumb ones will go under and there will probably still be more than one provider in every area. mks: That's not as far fetched as it may sound. Here in little ol' Odessa, there are three voice providers (1 land line and 2 cell), 3 broadband providers (two that use DSL and my wireless), and 3 TV choices (cable and two sat companies). The telco and cable co are the least likely to survive in the long run. The telco here, so I'm told, gets roughly 66% of their income from subsidies. Not a good business model to support over the long run in my not so humble opinion. mks: On the other hand, if I also got $100 per sub for broadband subs like they get for pots lines. I'd be able to put in a hech of a lot better network than I can afford to put in right now! mks: Hope that was what you were looking for Patrick. 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