This is not a good position, I would like to sell my operation @ the moment that I assume I can get the best return for my investment OR as an exit strategy.
Would you prefer to sell your customer base to a competitor or loose them all together... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 2:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients Equity value is only important to those who wish to build and sell.... Those of us who just wish to make a living don't care so much about re-sale value. We are more interested in income. Patrick Leary wrote: >I appreciate the honest criticism, really, but the situation about your >network being at an equity disadvantage is very real. You CAN sell it, >but you won't find many eager buyers and you won't get a good price. An >Alvarion network does bring a higher value. I'm sure Moto networks may >fetch an okay price (not as high as an Alvarion network). But, and this >is the reality, an 802.11b network has a much lower equity value. An >802.11 network using illegal gear will have an even worse value. That's >just reality and I will try to get validation from one or two of the >roll-up guys I know and I'll ask if I can quote him. ...(I've placed him >in the bcc, hopefully he is around this weekend to extend his opinion.) > >Regards, > >Patrick Leary >AVP WISP Markets >Alvarion, Inc. >o: 650.314.2628 >c: 760.580.0080 >Vonage: 650.641.1243 >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Rick Smith >Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:19 PM >To: 'WISPA General List' >Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients > >Why can't I sell what I've built ? Because it doesn't brag on the >Alvarion name ? Please. > >As for growth path, I've got rooftop leases for these repeaters. >They're >legally guaranteed for 30 yrs in most cases. Sheesh, in some cases, the >houses will fall down before the equipment dies. > >I noticed that you pointed out the CX-BA-2.4-900 stuff. That's all fine >and >good. Oranges to Oranges, its WAYYYY more expensive to use Alvarion, >and >by $1000's. CX 2.4/900 repeater is like $2,000 or more. Same >functionality >with Mikrotik and Ubiquiti is around $500. So, the way I see it, I can >put >4 repeaters up, and cover 4 times the area that I can with one CX >repeater. >AND, my tower side cost me $2,000 less as well! So, $5,000 spent = 1 >customer and repeater with tower side on Alvarion, or 9 customers with >repeaters and tower side with Mikrotik / Ubiquiti, AND I've got 9 >repeaters >out there touching a ton more customers. > >With Mikrotik, I've got firewalling / vpn / qos / bandwidth metering / >HOTSPOT / OSPF / WDS / and a routed network all the way to each >customer, OR >a bridged network if I should so choose. > >Why would I have any less a path for growth or satisfactory exit in >putting >together Mikrotik solutions as opposed to Alvarion ? >Cost of implementation's cheaper. >Cost of replacement's cheaper. >Cost of value added services are cheaper, AND implemented with only a >phone >call from the customer or even a hotspot implementation. >Future bandwidth's "just there" - no manufacturer throttling to pay to >upgrade like Alvarion >Mikrotik doesn't tell me what I can't do - they put it all there and let >you >decide. No unlock extortion. > >Actually, I just sold a chunk of my Pennsylvania network, that was still >in >a build-up phase, with tower sites installed and a couple customers, for >some cash that's going to run the rest of my network for a while. Whole >thing was built on Canopy and Mikrotik tower sides and cpe's. > >Ya know, there IS one product I'll use religiously from Alvarion and >it's >the 2.4 DS11 backhaul units. Rock solid, decently priced (on the used >market) and it's truly install-and-forget-it's-there stuff. > >I just don't see the financial advantage to spending anything else on >Alvarion gear though. Especially when I've got high speed backhauls, >short >and long distance backhauls, multiple frequency ranges, including >licensed >and public safety, LOS, NLOS and hotspot / billing / etc all built into >one >platform that doesn't cost a ton of money, and there's a lot of good >support >for. > >I don't see how that's bad business. > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Patrick Leary >Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:54 PM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients > >It is interesting Rick and creative, but with all due respect, you are >not >building a network that you are going to be able to sell most likely or >at >least certainly not for a good price. As well, you can't offer advanced >services if you want to grow into them. Rick, it is a serious >question: what is your path for growth and/or path to have a >satisfactory >exit? > >Patrick Leary >AVP WISP Markets >Alvarion, Inc. >o: 650.314.2628 >c: 760.580.0080 >Vonage: 650.641.1243 >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Rick Smith >Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 7:35 PM >To: 'WISPA General List' >Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients > >There's no license fees if you're buying routerboards for Mikrotik. > >Also, add 2.4 cards (SR2) and cabling / antenna at each client, and >you've >now built a mesh, so to speak, with coverage off each customer to new >customers. > >Those setups add about $200 here and there when you do the repeaters. >But >again, >Alvarion can't touch $500 for 900 CPE and 2.4 AP all on one POE cable. > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Patrick Leary >Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:27 PM >To: Joe Laura; WISPA General List >Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients > >It is a fair question and what I would say is that the AU is an even >more >critical point in the network. Our AUs have options to be inserted into >chassis with redundant power supplies, etc. The difference in cost of >the AU >is minimal when working out the entire cost of the sector and its >clients, >especially when working in the OPEX issues. > >For example, OPEX aside, let's say you are in the AlvarionCOMNET program >and >buy at the minimum level of 25 CPE, which would get you a $285/CPE cost >with >free shipping. Let's assume all 25 of those attach to a VL sector. In >that >case the sector will cost you about $1900 plus $285 x 25, or $9,025. The >equivalent size network at Mikrotik with the prices in this thread would >be >$348 x 25 + the $500 AU or $9,200 + shipping. >So, not even counting the OPEX issues, reduced truck roll, and shipping >we >are $175 cheaper. Then add in the 1 year free warranty, domestic >support, >FCC legality, and higher equity value of the network. Let's not forget >no >user license fees, no fee for new software upgrades. > >Is my math wrong? The business equation seems simple unless I am >seriously >missing something. > >Patrick Leary >AVP WISP Markets >Alvarion, Inc. >o: 650.314.2628 >c: 760.580.0080 >Vonage: 650.641.1243 >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Joe Laura >Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 5:52 PM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients > >But is your A/P under $500.00 like the RB532 and SR9? K, Im just >kidding. >Its Friday. >Superior Wireless >New Orleans,La. >www.superior1.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Patrick Leary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 7:20 PM >Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients > > >Dang, that's as much as $100 more than a real BreezeACCESS CPE (under >the >AlvarionCOMNET program) without needing to piece things together so the >points of failure risk and truck roll is both much smaller, not to >mention a >warranty and domestic supply and support. VL CPE comes with mounting >hardware too and the cable. Our stuff is also all fully FCC legal. > >(donning flame suit now) > >- Patrick > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Tom DeReggi >Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:51 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients > >Exactly, after you add the rootenna, you are at $348, plus >International >Shipping charges (if in US). > > >Tom DeReggi >RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "cw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:11 PM >Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz Mikrotik SR9 Clients > > > > >>http://www.star-v3.com/store/ >> >>$262 ea in ten packs + roo. >> >>Rick Smith wrote: >> >> >>>Where are people buying their SR9 client setups, if at all ? >>> What kind of pricing per "CPE" >>> I'm looking at a couple places, and coming back with like $350 each >>> >>> >for > > >>>a >>>rootenna / cable / SR9 / P.S. and RB112 Anyone see anything >>>different ? 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