Butch, We are in total agreement. The prices I quoted are very out of line, typical "get it while the getting's good" pricing. Competition will solve that. You are working on a solution as well as others. I commend all vendors who see an opportunity here in the WISP and small ISP market niche.
I find it funny how the telcos will invest in "plant" that will payback over 20-30 years but are trying to get the investment in their CALEA equipment paid back in less than 2 years. I guess I can't blame them, there is not much that is safe for 20 years in this day and age. I also believe there will be less expensive alternatives and our group of entrepreneurs will prove once again that we can get the same job done much more efficiently and quickly than the big boys who are trying to crush us. Keep up the good work Butch. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 7:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Personal Attacks and CALEA On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Rick Harnish wrote: >Please respect each other's opinions and avoid personal attacks of >any nature. We have a challenge presented to us (CALEA) and we My comments were "personal attacks" and I should not have done that on the lists. They were intended to offset the FUD and (not sure how else to say it) absolute disinformation being posted by (mainly) one particular individual. However, this is not a good excuse for me to publically do what I did, and I apologise to all those on the list that had to tolerate that from me. >In looking at the startup costs in working with a TTP, the quotes I >have received so far are anywhere from $3000 to $10000 for startup. >If 100 WISPs put up $3000 it would pay for the mediation server >platfform to become a TTP. Obviously someone would need to host >the server and dispatch the These prices are stupid. There...I've said it. Now, let me tell a story. :-) A while back, I went looking at a town to provide them with wireless internet access. On the north and southwest corners of the town, there were towers. These towers were owned by American Tower and Cingular (respectively). In the north central part of town, standing about 125' tall was a water tower and another on the south side up on a hill was another 80' water tower. I approached the town to see if they would rent space on their water tower for some antennas. They were interested, but didn't have much of an idea how much to charge. I explained to them the deal I had with a neighboring town to do the same thing and told them the price their towers were worth to me. They told me the city council would have to "discuss" it and would decide in a couple weeks. No problem, right? Well, they decided to check with the two tower owners to "get a feel" for the "value" of their water towers. When I spoke to them again (following the city council meeting), I was informed that they would rent the space on their water tower for $2500/month (per tower). Bear in mind, this is a town of about 800 residents. This price was, of course, based on what they heard from Cingular. I tell that story (and I'm sure there are others that have similar) to say that the prices you see are based on the fact that historically, it is telcos that need these services. I think that the compliance requirements for transport providers is going to be MUCH easier (I'm working on a solution) and SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper. For the most part, I think you will find that out of pocket expenses will be MUCH lower than anyone expects. You don't have to even have devices physically on your network until you get a subpoena asking for data. You DO have only 2 hours to respond to certain types of subpoenas, however. At any rate, I didn't want to go into all of this with my apology being the primary reason I posted. Again, to those who were not the target of my "personal attacks", I apologize. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
