I agree Mark's post was extremely well said, and insightful.  To me, it's like 
Yellowstone wildlife management.  Once it became a national park the park 
management (people) said "we need to manage the wildlife."  They did this, then 
10 years later they did that, then 10 years later they did something else, etc. 
 All the while it was painfully obvious that it was unnecessary for "people" to 
manage natural wildlife.  Yet they continued, each policy meant to repair or 
undo the damage of the previous one.  I immensely enjoy the programs that 
reflect back on 100 years of park management that look a tale of one one 
blunder after another ... everything they seek to fix were problems they 
created.

The underlying truth is that many things "like a free marketplace" operate 
quite fine when left alone.  Once "people" (read: government) interferes they 
sometimes cannot help but be disruptive by "whatever" they do ... because 
intruding was never the right thing to do in the first place.  I think the 
basic need to intrude in the broadband marketplace stems from a long line of 
federal government intrusion into telecommunications 30 years ago, and it's yet 
to do anything for the citizenry of our country that hasn't been harmful (all 
the way back to Judge Green).

But that's as far as I go feeling gov should butt out.  I'm a strong advocate 
that gov should set standards for interoperability for each band for the public 
good of the citizenry of our country.  So I'm not anti-gov, just feel in some 
areas "like trying to manage industries" they should excuse themselves ... 
forever.  But gov does do many important things for us all, and I believe the 
FCC has an absolutely vital role to perform.  I just wish they would do better 
where I think they bear a responsibility, and abandon meddling where I think 
they shouldn't have ever interfered.

Rich
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rick Harnish 
  To: 'WISPA General List' 
  Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 10:38 AM
  Subject: RE: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition


  Mark,

  This was one of the best emails you have ever written IMHO. At 3070 words,
  it must have taken you all night to write, but I appreciate the time you put
  into it and your opinions are well stated.  I believe this is a must read
  for anyone wanting to get a real-life picture of our industry and it's
  challenges.  There is definitely room for more radical views to be heard.  

  I'm sure others will disagree or dispute some of the opinions you have
  stated but that's ok.  This will create some great discussion.  

  As a board member of WISPA, it is our duty to reflect and consider all
  opinions of the members of our association.  We need to weigh all opinions
  and guide policy direction as the majority sees fit.  While we may not
  always take your side in some matters, we do so in what we interpret as the
  best course for the future of the industry.  Does that mean we don't listen?
  Heavens no!  This is the great part of group efforts, molding peoples ideas
  into a negotiated platform that is livable by as many of us as possible
  would be our necessary goal.  It is a balancing act sometimes to represent
  the membership while maintaining a respectful front with the FCC and
  legislators who have the power to make the laws and policies which police
  our industry.  WISPA can be radical at times, but we also need to temper our
  views somewhat to maintain a respectful image with those who make the
  decisions.  

  Again, I appreciate your comments!

  Rick Harnish
  President
  OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc.
  260-827-2482
  Founding Member of WISPA

  -----Original Message-----
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
  Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki
  Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 4:14 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition

  Of coures it's flawed.   That's like saying that if anyone within zipcode
  xxxxx has a newly paved street in front of their home, then everyone in zip
  code xxxxx has the same.

  I don't offer service via zip code.   I offer service via where my signal
  reaches.

  And, I've even made a few little interesting things to get service where it
  DOES NOT reach.   Or...well, it didn't at first.

  The presumption that every who has broadband available will buy it is...
  absurd.  We all know that.

  I know people who won't even pay for dialup.

  The question is, why do we want to know?    I can think of business reasons
  why I'd want to know.  But why would the mayor of my town, for instance,
  want to know?   What public purpose would be served by expending resources
  to find out?   None, that I can actually think of.

  Even nationally, the SAME ANSWER applies.   There is no actual need OF ANY
  KIND to know "the number".   If 27 percent of the population has broadband
  available, is there some kind of crisis?  What if it's 80%?   what if it's
  99.776 %?    The answer is, THE NUMBER DOES NOT MATTER.   Once you realize
  this fundamental truth, then we  can get beyond this, and start to make
  coherent and  logical analysis of what's going on, and what, if anything,
  should be done about it.

  First, to get a clear-eyed perspective, let's look at something that's an
  indisputable "need".   Food.  Is there anywhere in this country you can't
  buy food?   ( Yeah, I know, try going to out eat in Odessa, it's a
  constraining experience)  If you know of any town where the people cannot,
  without extreme difficulty obtain food, I'd love to hear of it.  So, let me
  ask you...  Is the ubiquitous availability of commodity food due to
  government policy?   Was a large government initiative required to get
  grocery stores available throughout our nation?   Did the USDA and other
  agencies create programs to fund the creation of grocery stores throughout
  the country?   Did Congress address the lack of grocery stores repeatedly
  until it was solved?

  The negative answers to all those somewhat silly questions is kind of
  obvious.  Whereever people wanted to live, there was a demand for a place to
  buy at least the staples and someone filled that need, often more than a
  single someone, and they competed for the customer.

  So, why is the FCC and Congress in a dither about where broadband is
  available?   If people want it, it will come.  Just like grocery stores.

  If it won't, then the real question of consequence is... WHY?

  Is it not economically feasible?   If not, why not?

  Is it physically not feasible?   If not, why not?

  Is the actual demand enough to sustain the mechanism to provide the service?
  (you mean they might not want it?  Yeah... they might not!)

  Then, finally, what artificial obstructions exist to providing broadband?

  Let me state some of the issues that the above questions begin to relate
  to...  "economically feasible", to start with.  What are the main problems
  that occur money-wise when attempting to bring broadband to an unserved
  area, or make it financially unworkable?

  Gee, a good lot of you have done it, me included.  What about we collaborate
  a bit and summarize those obstacles we found and overcame?   This would be a
  good topic for someone to lead a thread on for a while.

  Physical issues.  I met an ISP in Idaho who built a backbone over 2
  mountains.  He had to go something like 60 to 80 miles to find a location
  where he c ould get hooked up.   Impressive effort, to say the least.  What
  about some eastern and southern areas that are nothing but solid trees?
  What physical barriers exist to deliver broadband via physical medium
  (fiber, copper, etc)?

  How many of us, me included, built a network because our gut said we had a
  market?   Can I see a show of hands?   How did we decide that our market was
  large enough to sustain the size and expense we incurred?   Howw many were
  dramatically wrong in that assumption - in either direction?

  Lastly, what artificial barriers exist?    I have a rather large list of my
  own, and somehow I'll bet you people  can dwarf what I've observed.   Let's
  do this list style.

  The only connectivity available is through a phone company, and they can
  price you into the realm of non-workabilty.

  I have two towns in my market that have specifically enacted regulations to
  PREVENT any further wireless OR WIRED "telecommunications services" from
  being deployed.   That is, they have claimed control over all rights of way
  and the "air" within their town.   No towers, no rooftops, no pole to pole,
  no underground, NOTHING may be deployed in these towns without going through
  a process which is carefully calculated to cost a LOT of money the outcome
  is almost gauranteed to be negative.  If the citizens don't object, then
  they have built in mechanisms to cost unlimited sums of money and unlimited
  delays at the whim of the any of the city officials.   The codes start out
  with "we believe our town to be more than adequately served by
  telecommunications services, and so to protect our citizens and town,
  we....blah blah blah."   I kid you not.

  Another is the federal ownership of land.   No federal land is usable for
  wireless broadband.  Period.   Not unless you for some reason have millions
  of dollars and a whole army of lawyers on retainer, will you ever succeed in
  obtaining the use of public land to provide services to the public.   The
  USFS guys explained the process to me to use USFS land, and it's simply
  idiotic.  It can't be done.

  The threats of the federal government.  CALEA being just tjhe apparent tip
  of the iceburg.   You'd have to be a complete imbecile to think of getting
  into the WISP business right now.    I'm beginning to think it's getting
  more stupid by the day to remain.   I figure I'll just stay at it as long as
  I can and hide my assets offshore.  Basically, since every ISP organization
  appears to be advocating devastating regulation upon all networks, there's
  nobody left to defend the actual ISP's from what appears to be an applauded
  and asked-for "culling of the herd".

  We can survive competition from cable, telephone, even licensed WISP
  operations.  No problem.   But we cannnot survive the completely uncaring
  and capricious hand of the federal or state government.   It is the only
  100% lethal item in this list.  Creativity can get you around almost every
  other obstruction or difficulty.  Government can't be gotten around.  It is
  proactively lethal.

  Someone on the list has been repeatedly complaining about the small
  percentage of wisp's that apparently file form 477.   The statement was
  "they won't be happy" when referring to the overreaching regulator
  do-gooders.

  There are only two choices:   Either private enterprise fills the needs,
  like grocery stores do... Or government takes over and "takes care of us"
  like they did with the telephone co monopoly way back when.    There is no
  "middle ground".    For decades we paid absurdly high costs for phone
  services, and "innovation" and "change" did not even exist.

  Either we become ardent, vocal, and so persistent in our defense, insisting
  upon keeping free enteprise alive and the regulators the hell away... or we
  give up and admit that we prefer monopolies.    Name for me ANY regulated
  industry vibrant with new small businesses and rapid innovation.   It does
  NOT exist.   It consolidates until we're in a monopoly.   That's where TV,
  Radio, Cellular, even copper POTS service is headed without intervention.
  Even with intervention it becomes a calcified, unchanging and certainly
  non-innovative industry.

  Either we defend ourselves, and we defend the "cowboys" as Peter likes to
  call people like me by rising in opposition to ANY regulatory garbage that
  puts us under their thumb... Or we've just killed our whole industry,
  because it will cease to be the free market and just become yet another
  pigeonholed and protected monopoly status.. .and not a one of us will be
  that "monopoly".

  Just 3 years ago, when I was about to embark on this dreamquest I call my
  business,  every ONE of the list participants on every one of the lists i
  was one, was adamant that our uniqueness and our ability to do what had not
  been done, and to serve those not being served, was because we had no
  limits.    Because we were free and open and unrestrained.  We recognized
  that our industry, OUR profession was not limited and could succeed
  precisely because we had no gatekeeper and referee creating and enforcing
  someone else's rules on our game.

  We had a unique focus on creating our own last mile, and were undaunted in
  our efforts because those who lacked the guts to go where no ISP had gone
  before were NOT in our business.   We were, as someone likes to
  disparagingly refer to the vast majority of us "Cowboys".   We WERE 100%
  "cowboys" because they are the pioneers.  They are the ones who break the
  molds and do what hadn't been done.   What on earth are we doing when we
  silently tolerate the disparaging of "cowboys"?   Either these "Cowboys"
  continue to pop up in greater numbers and more and more places to serve whom
  otherwise won't be served... or we're dead as an industry.

  Now let's imagine that Lonerock, Oregon experiences a population boom.   In
  fact, due to the wonderful clean air, temperate climate, lack of crime, and
  overall attractiveness of this town...

  (here it is, in real life!
  http://neofast.net/users/mark/pics/lonerockvalley.jpg )

  A lot of new residents move in and build homes, eventually they start a
  little school back up, and one day a relatively young retiree shows up and
  polls a bunch of people in town "do you want a small grocery store... if one
  was here, what would you want in it?"   Except for the 4 old soreheads at
  the far edge of town, everyone sees the value in having a store locally.  In
  fact, having one just might encourage a bit more stability to town.

  So, he applies to the recently incorporated town for a building permit and a
  business license.

  After much discussion, he's called in to face the mayor and city council.
  "We're prepared to entertain granting your permits, but before you do, we
  have a list of demands.  We want to be assured that you'll carry a wide
  array of brands of products.  We want to be sure that you'll reinvest in our
  community with the profits.  We want assurances from you that your prices
  will be low, quality high, and that you'll be open seven days a week and at
  least till 10 pm and open by 7 am.   And lastly, it's very important to us
  that you'll agree to install the climate control equipment we want in your s
  tore so that your customers are comfortable all year around,  and that it's
  well lit to our requirements and we also want you to pay for and get a
  liquor license too, and make sure you're well stocked with a list of
  products we wish you to carry.  And lastly, since everyone will be shopping
  there, we want you to photograph everyone and carry thier information and
  image in a database to help us should there ever be any law enforcement
  required in our town."

  The retiree looks over the men behind the desk and tables and mumbles
  something to himself.   He takes the pages long list of demands and
  requirements and goes home.   Sitting at his desk that night, he figures out
  the costs involved and the demands on his time.   The next day he stops in
  at the mayor's office and drops a letter on the desk and walks out.   Later
  that afternoon, he makes a number of phone calls and a week later a "For
  Sale" sign appears on his home.

  The town council is stunned at the letter.  It says simply "I withdraw my
  applications for business license and building permit".   The news leaks
  out...  Rather, it explodes.   The city council meeting is innundated with
  the townspeople standing up and asking "Why aren't we going to have a
  store?"   To which the mayor answers "I don't know, we really need one and
  we encouraged him to open one up".

  Yeah, I know, the story's a bit crude and silly.

  But the point is inescapable.   And it's on topic.   The FCC recognizes that
  it's mechanism for justifying it's policy decisions suck.   Why?   Because
  the whole pursuit of the number in the first place is pointless.   No matter
  WHAT number the FCC arrives at, and by what method...  It cannot escape
  criticism of it's policies.  If the FCC wants to justify what it does... or
  perhaps more accurately,  make a cogent arguement for cogent policies, then
  the number becomes irrelevant, as does form 477, OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF
  POINTLESS PAPERWORK.

  Instead, WE should be telling the FCC what our hurdles to deployment are,
  and that placing roadblocks like CALEA in the way will only serve to STIFLE
  deployment.   The FCC and the feds need to stop acting like the mythical
  town council I wrote about if it wishes to have people set up shop and
  provide service.   It needs to clear every roadblock it can that is created
  intentionally or unintentionally by federal regulation or ownership or rules
  or law.

  Because like grocery stores, WISP's should be in every town, in every
  community, in every county, in every state, in the whole nation.   And the
  only way that's going to happen, is if every possible business model,
  including the guy who does it as a hobby, or the retiree who happens to be
  bored and want to find something productive to do, or the computer store
  owner who needs his own connection... or a couple of part time partners...
  or an angel investor and a couple network whiz types... or a group of
  professional businessmen and a venture capital type get to gether and work
  out something that works, and the people get served should be viable.

  Someone asked me why I decided to wireless...  specifically why wireless to
  offer broadband.  I answered this way:  "Because I can".    There was no
  toll booth set up by someone else to pay to get into the business.
  There was nobody standing there with a list of demands to get a license to
  do it.    Even then, it took me 5 years to find a way to do it in a way that
  would be viable for me and my limited financial means.

  If the FCC is actually serious, if Congress is actually serious... and if
  WISPA is actually serious... about addressing how widely broadband is both
  available and adopted... then what REALLY has to be addressed, is this:  If
  broadband is not available, what is the obstruction ,and how can it be
  cleared?    And we need to address it.   We need to address EVERYTHING, from
  how difficult it is to raise capital, to archaic and absurd part 15
  certification regulations, to the physical federal and state land barriers
  since it's so hard to get to use them.   Further, we need to address the
  tools we need to truly become "ubiquitous".

  The only people who care about "the number", whatever that magical number
  is, are advocates of something... be it regulation,  be it money spending
  they want to come their way, be it governmental intervention or even
  socializing the internet provision industry, or even just plain old pork
  barrell spending, "the number" serves no practical purpose in advancing real
  deployment and coverage.

  The only way to get at the heart of the mattter, is to study the
  people...find who does, who does not, and then find out WHY.  Do they not
  care?   Maybe they don't want it.   Maybe they aren't willing to pay for it.
  Maybe they have no use for it!   Maybe nobody will offer service.  If not,
  WHY NOT?

  And then comprehensively address those issues of why one of us cowboys will
  not go there.    Because if we won't, then nobody will, unless they're
  bribed with public money, to do what nobody sensible would do.   There
  should not be 6000 of us.  Not even 12,000 of us.  There should be at least
  20,000 and more appropriately, 50,000 of us.   We should be like the grocery
  store.  One or more for every town.   If we do, WE WILL have the clout in DC
  to get heard.   But unless we defend our industry against imposed
  gatekeepers, toll booths and whatever other kind of barrier to entry and
  continuation, we have already lost the battle without ever having even
  reached the fight.

  Like it or not, WE HAVE THE ANSWERS the FCC is looking for.   But we're
  stuck on playing little political games.  Darnit, WE ARE ALREADY THE
  LEADERS, because we're going out and doin what should be done in the first
  place.   The fact that they are only recently aware of even our EXISTENCE,
  much less the true power of free enterprise we can wield in advancing our
  nation is a monument sized explanation of just how out of touch and isolated
  Washington DC is from where the rubber meets the road.   We should not
  shrink from boldly standing up for both what is right, and PROUDLY
  ADVOCATING FOR OUR BEST INTEREST.  Not just "making the toll bearable" or
  "trying to make sure they don't kill too many of us", not meekly going to
  them, hat in hand, hoping for "status" in DC.   That's not leadership.
  That's followship.  And it's our death if we do it.

  There.  I've ranted again.

  Somehow, I feel like I haven't done it near enough.  The definition of a
  fanatic, some say, is that they not only have opinions on something, but
  that they won't shut up about it.  Are we fanatics for our industry and
  ourselves... or just mere passive players?

  Mark


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Justin S. Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  To: <wireless@wispa.org>
  Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 5:52 AM
  Subject: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition


  > Found this on Slashdot
  >
  > "For years, plenty of folks (including the Government Accountability
  Office)
  > have been pointing out that the way the FCC
  > <http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070205/165735.shtml>  measures
  broadband
  > competition is very flawed. It simply assumes that if a single household
  in
  > a zip code is offered broadband by provider A, then every household in
  that
  > zip code can get broadband from provider A. See the problem? For some
  reason
  > the FCC still hasn't changed its ways, but at least they're starting to
  > realize the problem. They're now saying they need to change
  > <http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2115154,00.asp>  the way they
  measure
  > competition. Commissioner Michael Copps points out: 'Our statistical
  > methodology seems almost calculated to obscure just how far
  > <http://techdirt.com/articles/20070418/143208.shtml>  our country is
  falling
  > behind many other industrialized nations in broadband availability,
  > adoption, speed and price.'"
  >
  >
  >
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