http://www.altn.com/ offers Mdaemon, an in-house email platform. I have
personaly been using it for 6 years and am very happy with its anti-spam and
anti-virus capability. It also has the option for a groupware addon that
gives it a exchange shared folders type of use. I'll attach the last weekly
report of what it handled as far as spam and viruses, this particular server
services about 1400 accounts, open with wordpad. Also, note that the spam
rejected is what was determined spam before the bayesian filter is even
used. (blacklisted ip's, known spam ip's, hosts that their domain keys don't
match, quite a few other things. The "spam accepted" tells what got
determined spam after it was read through the Bayesian filtering, and
subsequently, placed in the users "Junk-Mail" folder available via web mail
or IMAP.

It does the job, and does it very well. I *Might* get 2 messages that are
spam and about 1 false positive a month.
I like being able to troubleshoot a problem when it's in my server room
rather in a data center, but I rarely have any problems. Outsourcing = no
control.

Zack

On 5/16/07, W.D.McKinney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi Folks,

As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of
dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of selling
a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on which
entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get.

We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so
it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the experienced
walk with a limp)

We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for
WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution.

Cheers,
-Dee

Alaska Wireless Systems
1(907)240-2183 Cell
1(907)349-2226 Fax
1(907)349-4308 Office
www.akwireless.net



----- Original Message -----
From: JohnnyO
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:37:14 -0800
Subject:
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


> Barracuda should offer a "buy back" option for people who purchase
directly
> from them then. This don't make sense - It basically takes a peice of
> equipment and renders it absolutely useless if you choose not to use it
any
> longer...... Very Very Very crappy approach to doing business and I
guess
> now that it is public - it's going to cost them more with their stupid
> policy then it was worth putting in their agreement.
>
> JohnnyO
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ross Cornett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
>
>
> > Well, my first contact to Barracuda was exactly that.  I am diggin in
> > deeper to better understand their policy.  But, they did tell me they
will
>
> > not support a device that they did not sell directly.
> >
> > Wow, that is hidden deep into their users agreement.  Since you have
to
> > agree to it to use it, you are bound by it... I will update the list
if I
> > find any better answer.
> >
> > Ross
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:10 AM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
> >
> >
> >>I think what Dave was trying to make a point about was that folks at
> >>Barracuda acted as if selling used hardware to others may not allow
the
> >>new owner to purchase updates, maintenance, etc. Dave talked to them,
I
> >>did not. The impression was that they would not support second-hand
> >>hardware. It might be a good idea for you, Ross, to make a call to
> >>Barracuda and see what the terms would be for update support for a new
> >>owner of this unit before you sell it. At least then you would be able
to
> >>tell a new potential owner what to expect as far as costs to continue
> >>support for the unit. The Barracuda units do work but if you do not
buy
> >>support agreements for updates and such then it is useless. The unit
can
> >>be good as new and not worth a nickel if the manufacturer will not
support
>
> >>it with new spam and virus signature updates.
> >>
> >> There is no way you would know any of this, Ross. We have had a bad
> >> experience with Barracuda regarding used hardware. That was all that
was
> >> being cautioned here. If you find out what the terms are for
transferring
>
> >> used hardware to new owners I would like to know what you find.
> >> Scriv
> >>
> >>
> >> Ross Cornett wrote:
> >>
> >>> understand... THis is in great shape.  WE used it for 2 months...
> >>> couldn't stand the cryout from the customers that were so used to
> >>> Postini.
> >>>
> >>> thanks.
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Ross Cornett wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list.
> >>>>> Switched
> >>>>> from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their
oxigen.
> >>>>> Had to go back to postini.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So, if you are interrested email me off list.  I will make you a
deal
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with
Barracuda
> >>>> first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I
picked
> >>>> up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't
activate
> >>>> it
> >>>> or provide me service, as it was second-hand.
> >>>>
> >>>> There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit,
but
> >>>> I
> >>>> got the impression that they don't like dealing with "used" units,
> >>>> period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may
> >>>> want
> >>>> to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they
track
> >>>> update subscriptions and whatnot.)
> >>>>
> >>>> David Smith
> >>>> MVN.net
> >>>> --
>
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