The problem (or maybe our upper edge) compared to cellular at its present stance is almost all cellular data has a limit on their data transfer. All cellular carriers I have checked with have this limit embedded in their TOS.
What we need to watch out for is the fact that the FCC tends to give Cellular anything they ask for, i.e. they can enter into a rural cooperative town that the telecommunications act of 1996 forbids of big telecommunications carriers because of the Rural Exemption part of that act. Believe me, I know the cooperative part, I live in TN, where 90% of the telcos are coops and are exempt from alot of rules until the FCC revamps them! ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Brad Belton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:17:33 -0500 >Again, why opt for a mobile service that has such limited coverage? Dell, >HP and I'm sure others are and have been shipping laptops with your choice >of cellular data cards built-in. They work well and nearly anywhere you >have cellular coverage. I have yet to find an area where my phone works, >but my data card doesn't. > >If DigitalBridge is lucky (real lucky) they might be absorbed by one of the >cellular players, but why? The cellular guys don't need them. The >DigitalBridge client base will be insignificant by comparison and they don't >have any magical technology that can't be adopted by the cellular guys >themselves. > >Have you not seen any of the AT&T or Sprint commercials advertising their >mobile Internet service? "I've found the Internet here in a hole...in this >pond...would you like some tea with your Internet? The Internet can't hide >anymore." etc. They are really making a heavy advertising push and it is >working. > >The speeds will continue to increase slowly, but the more important factor, >coverage, is here now. I think it is safe to say the overwhelming majority >of mobile users will rate coverage as far more important than speed. The >speed available from today's cellular systems is more than enough for most >of the mobile users needing it and it continues to get faster. > > >Best, > > >Brad > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Mike Bushard, Jr >Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 10:09 PM >To: 'WISPA General List' >Subject: [WISPA] RE: OT: video of news segment inIdaho abouta new localWiMAX >service > >OK, I can see the College point. But it's not WiMAX, it must be their >backend. Sorry, I didn't realize they were competition. > > > >I am will to bet that if someone has built a system in 2.5Ghz they will have >a shot at a roaming agreement. Sprint and Clearwire both know they can't do >this alone, or even together. Some are choosing to run it in 2.5Ghz and >others are opting for 2.3. Sprint/Clearwire will run 2.5, the death star >will run 2.3. Currently from my understanding the Laptop chips will be in >2.5Ghz, currently no profile exists for 2.3. So the 2.3 rollouts are >actually 2.5 WiMAX systems running 2.3Ghz chips. Patrick may have a better >insight here. > > > >I guess my main point is don't downplay WiMAX in general, you can have the >best radios, but if the providers backend sucks you can't see the radios >shine. > > > >Disclaimer: > >I know very little about DigitalBridge, their network, or anything related. >I just know that WiMAX works better than that when properly set up with a >proper backend. > > > >Mike Bushard, Jr > >320-256-WISP (9477) > >320-256-9478 Fax > > > > > > _____ > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Travis Johnson >Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:54 PM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] RE: OT: video of news segment inIdaho abouta new >localWiMAX service > > > >Why would I call and say anything to them? They are my competition, and they >are doing a GREAT job... ;) > >Just heard from one of my installers tonight about a customer he went to >last week who tried it and said it was "terribly slow"... so it wasn't just >by chance that they didn't setup my modem correctly. > >My guess would be (from 8+ years of experience with this town) that college >students are using whatever bandwidth is available at any given second. When >we provided service to 15 college apartment complexes many years ago, it was >a joke. Some students would queue up 100 songs to be downloaded and then >just let it run all day while they were gone to class. It didn't matter how >much bandwidth you gave a complex, they would use 100% of it. > >You are also forgetting that although WiMax may be available in 100 cities >around the country, unless you have service in every one of those coverage >areas, you will get to pay again. Compared with Sprint or AT&T, in which I >can pay $60/month and have coverage everywhere at the same speed... (and >like Brad mentioned, be moving down the freeway at the same time). > >Also, is there a set frequency that WiMax uses? In my area, they are using >2.3ghz. Is that the same all over the country? Is that the frequency that >Intel will build into their chips? > >Travis >Microserv > >Mike Bushard, Jr wrote: > >I will have to disagree. Today the coverage may be poor, but give it some >time. Heck DSL coverage still stinks and that's been around for years. With >the Sprint Clearwire commitment and Intel backing this....IE building chips >to integrate into laptops...you will see a big movement, probably similar to >the Cellular boom. The spectrum is ready, the equipment is ready and getting >even better. EVDO, GPRS, etc can't touch the speeds WiMAX is capable of. > >I would call DigitalBridge and ask them what the deal is. Maybe something >wasn't provisioned right (if you know even a little about WiMAX you should >now there is nothing simple about it.). I know of providers pulling over >6Mbps each way over BreezeMAX at 4 miles with indoor CPE. And that's at >50/50 downlink/uplink. > >I don't know how much more can say due to NDA's. So I better stop here. > >The point is I bet something wasn't right. > >Mike Bushard, Jr >Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC >320-256-WISP (9477) >320-256-9478 Fax > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Brad Belton >Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 11:39 AM >To: 'WISPA General List' >Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT: video of news segment in Idaho abouta new >localWiMAX service > >Hello Travis, > >Well now, this really doesn't come as any surprise, does it? <grin> > >I can easily get those speeds driving along nearly any interstate in the >country at 80MPH with my Sprint Data Card. > >Again, the cellular providers will dominate the mobile user market if only >simply because they have the coverage. Why would someone signup for >BridgeMAXX (with a fraction of a fraction coverage area) for equal or in >this case quite a bit slower access as compared to any of today's cellular >provider data networks? > >Reminds me of the Sprint commercial where they are comparing coverage areas: > >Client Sprint BridgeMAXX > >Denver? Yes. Nope. >Nashville? Yes. Nope. >Boston? Yes. Nope. Wait, what was that again? Boston? Oh, >nope. >Vegas? Yes. YES!, err I mean nope, but we have limited coverage >in Rexburg! lol > > >Best, > > >Brad > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Travis Johnson >Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 10:36 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: video of news segment in Idaho about a new >localWiMAX service > >Brad, > >I received our modem from BridgeMAXX and tested on Thursday last week. >We were located about 1 mile from their tower in Rexburg, Idaho. We had full >signal (all lights on top of the modem) while indoor. > >We ran several speed tests to Salt Lake City and Seattle. We purchased their >"up to 2meg" service and the speed tests (using Speedtest.net, which has >been very accurate on our test cable connection and test DSL >connection) showed an average of 300kbps download and 450kbps upload. >This was during the middle of the day (when most people are probably not >using the service). > >Loading web pages was almost painful however... espn.com took almost 15 >seconds to completely load. :( > >Travis >Microserv > >Brad Belton wrote: > > >Kinda funny.the video says it delivered "perfect service" in the park > > >while > > >only pulling up about a third of the www.localnews8.com website over > > >several > > >seconds. Now compare that video to pulling up www.localnews8.com > > >yourself. > > >It leaves quite a bit to be desired when comparing "broadband" services. > > > >My Sprint Data card pulls up the website faster and works ANYWHERE I have >Sprint service in the USA. Why would I choose a mobile broadband service >that only works in a couple cities? > > > >Just another hyped story relating to a service that will over commit and >underperform resulting in yet another black-eye for the wireless data >industry. This reminds me of the Ricochet service I subscribed to years > > >ago > > >before they went belly up. Worked fair to ok in some areas, but was > > >quickly > > >overshadowed by the cellular industry guys who really know how to make >mobile Internet work. > > > >Have to admit though it was a great plug for Alvarion! > > > >Best, > > > > > >Brad > > > > > > > > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Travis Johnson >Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 4:06 PM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: video of news segment in Idaho about a new >localWiMAX service > > > >Patrick, > >DBC purchased an existing company (Teton Wireless) that was using their >2.5ghz license for Television and internet service. They started 10 years >ago with just TV and added internet about 3-4 years ago. So, technically >they are not a "start-up" as they purchased an existing business and >license. > >They also didn't raise money, but rather sold another business (cellular I >believe) and used that money to buy this business. They are in the game > > >for > > >the short-haul, trying to get as many customers as possible with the full >intent to sell it off. > >And I'm not sure I really need a lecture on the "I can" model... having >started a WISP in 1997 from scratch (no outside investors, no outside > > >money) > > >and now with over 4,000 subs in the air, over 500 DSL customers, fiber >customers, dedicated p2p customers, etc. I think I understand how it > > >works. > > >We started building our own DOS based routers with WaveLan 900mhz ISA > > >cards > > >back in 1997, when there was NOTHING on the market that was cost effective >to make this business model work. The dot-bomb crash had ZERO affect on > > >our > > >business and we continue to grow every year. > >My point to the original email was you can't just stick an AP in the air > > >and > > >think you are going to do "truckless" installs with roaming clients like > > >the > > >video clip pictured. With millions of dollars, yes it can be done... but > > >not > > >otherwise. > >Travis >Microserv > >Patrick Leary wrote: > >DBC uses 2.5 GHz. They did not exist as an operator one year ago. They are a >start-up that raised money. Nothing prevents WISPs from doing this sort of >thing too Travis and I know a few WISPs who are in fact doing this very >thing. > >Travis, anyone can provide tons of reasons why something can't be done, but >someone always comes along who says "I can" and they do. It is that group of >people who dare who become the next set of millionaires. > >As for the model, the DBC guys are pros who have been around the block. >They deployed several thousand unlicensed CPEs a few years back in another >company. It is not like they are just winging it. And in any event, chances >are a guy like this gets bought out a few years from now for a good-sized >multiple of the original investment. > >Also, WISPs need to understand that the financial world considers licensed >band leases as assets, not expenses. Why do you think a company like >Clearwire that is losing money hand over fist has a $3.5B valuation? It is >because of the value of their licensed holdings primarily. > > >Patrick Leary >AVP, Market Development >Alvarion, Inc. >o: 650.314.2628 >c: 760.580.0080 >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Visit Alvarion at WiMAX World >Chicago, September 25-27 >Booth #409 > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Travis Johnson >Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 1:29 PM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: video of news segment in Idaho about a new >localWiMAX service > >Everyone should realize this is a licensed frequency (2.3ghz?) and that the >base stations are very expensive. > >So, if you have a few million dollars (I think they actually paid $7 million >for the license in our area about 10 years ago, with a population of 150,000 >people) and want to spend a few more million for AP's and CPE's, you should >be able to breakeven in about 1,000 years. ;) > >Travis >Microserv > >Patrick Leary wrote: > > >http://youtube.com/watch?v=6fag7cy2Nr4 > >Our customer, Digital Bridge Communications (DBC), sent this video to > > >me > > >today after it recently appeared on the local news. Nice piece, especially >since it was unsolicited. It is from an ABC news affiliate > > >in > > >Idaho. 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