----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Look how ComCast deals with P2P
because we control the majority market, and we won't let you play with ourclients in a favorable manner.My mistake, "majority Market" was not the right word. Almost "Largest percentage of the market" might be more appropriate. My understanding is that Comcast has the second largest share of Residential users next to TimeWarner.However, I'm not sure I understand your perspective on Comcast. I'll give you that Comcast is not in the market of selling Transit not a Tier1. But they definately peer. If they aren't charging others to access their eyeballs, they are fools, because they have the power, market share, and download ratios to demand it. Many of Comcast's markets, they are the sole single provider option (within similar price range), therefore have leverage to demand with less fear that their client base will move.Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband----- Original Message ----- From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Look how ComCast deals with P2POn Fri, October 19, 2007 2:24 pm, Tom DeReggi wrote:Yeah right... It has nothing to do with saving Interconnect dollars. Comcast's download ratios are already way higher than upload even with BitTorrent full force, and probably are already getting paid for the peering relationships if anything because of their ratios.Given that I know nothing about the internals of Comcast's network, I strongly suspect this is not the case. They're not a Tier-1, and theydon't generally offer transit. They're one of the biggest end-user ISPs in the States, and based on sheer volume they probably have some pretty sweetarrangements, but I really doubt they do enough hosting on their own that others are paying them for the privilege of talking to Comcast subs.What they are doing here is sending a message that if you Buy Comcast youget performance, if you buy from our competitors, you won;t ahve performancebecause we control the majority market, and we won't let you play with ourclients in a favorable manner.A majority of what market? Even as big as Comcast is, they're nowhere near50% of America's broadband users, and if that's not the market you're referring to, I don't know what you do mean.Folks not using Comcast will have few or no problems with their p2p needs,as there are plenty of other ISPs in this country alone (and a couple hundred other countries as well). Meanwhile, folks using Comcast in markets where they're doing edge-p2p-filtering will get cranky becausetheir friend on DSL can download (whatever warez-y stuff) 84 times faster,and may well leave Comcast because of it. When this first came to light a couple months ago, the nerd rage on Slashdot was positively palpable, and while it was probably 98% smoke, I doubt very much it was 100% smoke. Comcast has the right to do whatever they want - their network, theirrules. Really, though, I just don't see WHY they would choose to make thisparticular move, if not to save on peering costs. David Smith MVN.net --------------------------------------------------------------------------------** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON **** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 **** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php **-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.1/1079 - Release Date: 10/19/2007 5:10 AM--------------------------------------------------------------------------------** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON **** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 **** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php **-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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