Wouldn't BGP multi-hop have worked in this situation? Best,
Brad -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH You are correct. We bought all all three meg units. These can be upgraded to full speed SUs, we ended up upgrading one of our SUs to a full speed unit, the process is pretty simple, just request the key(s) through your supplier and enter it into the SU. We have been quite happy with our VL install, one of our first customers off of it is currently doing a 6 meg u/d package along with BGP peering with us, without the VL the setup would have been much more complicated. We used the VLAN tagging capabilities to bypass our normal edge router at the tower site and have them peer directly with our core router. It made it much simpler, and eliminated the need to upgrade our edge router to handle full routes. We did have to upgrade the VL SU to a full capable units since the first upgrade is to 6/4 meg rather than sysmetric 6/6 and the upload was what was important to the customer. Ryan On Nov 13, 2007, at 9:38 PM, Smith, Rick wrote: > I have to admit, I was never much of a Patrick Leary or an Alvarion > fan, > > until I read this email, which very clearly and "un-smugly" laid out > the > > pricing structure and the starter situation / upgrade path that I was > very curious about... > > Thanks Patrick. > > One last question, this does mean that we can buy all 3 meg units, > and then upgrade them only as the customers require them to be > upgraded, right ? > > R > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On > Behalf Of Patrick Leary > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:20 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH > > I realize that others have chimed in with respect to performance, I > wanted to officially weigh in on this post with respect to pricing for > the BreezeACCESS VL product line. > > The lowest cost way for a WISP to access BreezeACCESS VL is via the > AlvarionCOMNET cooperative program. This program does require some > level > of quarterly quantity commitment, but that commitment is very low. The > lowest commitment level is only 10 CPE per quarter and that 10 units > can > be made of any combination of 5.3, 5.4 and/or 5.8 GHz CPE. At that > level > the price per CPE is only $399 and that includes a full integrated > unit > with built-in 19 dBi antenna and the 20-meter shielded outdoor PoE > cable. There is no need with these units to buy reflectors since the > included antenna is already high gain. These units also include > hardware-based AES (meaning AES can be activated with almost no hit to > capacity, unlike those versions that only enable software-based AES > and > even that comes as an add-on cost). These units also have "Alvarion > only" type advanced features like per CPE distance learning (the AU > talks to each CPE at a different power level, enough to maintain the > desired performance), adjustable noise floor setting, 3rd generation > MIR/CIR and tons of other features that have been listed on this list > before. > > While commitments can be any number 10 or higher, additional price > breaks trip per the following levels: > > Minimum 25 units/quarter: $349 > Minimum 50 units/quarter: $325 > Minimum 100 units/quarter: $299 > Minimum 300 units/quarter: $275 > > Also, if one signs at any number 25 of higher per quarter we give a > signing incentive bonus of your choice of either: > - 10 free capacity upgrades for CPE ($1,750 value) > - One free upgrade to convert an AUS (I'll explain what that is in a > moment) to a full AU (MSRP $3,300) > - One free WLP VoIP optimization software upgrade (works on the AU and > supports all associated CPE to that AU) (MSRP $2,395) > > These choices are offered with only a 25 unit commitment and if one > signs at 50 then the choices doubles, at 100 the choices quadruple, > etc., so basically each 25 brings another free choice. > > The freebies are also given to members upon referral of another WISP > into the program. > > Also, the AlvarionCOMNET program provides for very low cost capacity > upgrades for CPE that can be purchased at any time and in any > quantity. > An upgrade from 3 Mbps 1 MAC (3 Mbps net down/2 Mbps net up) to a 6 > Mbps > full bridge (6 Mbps net down/ 4 Mbps up) is a fixed $175. An upgrade > that can take a 6 Mbps unit to a 54 Mbps (32 Mbps net) unit is a fixed > $250. In order to understand the savings there, consider that a 54 > Mbps > CPE is typically $1,995 retail. Through the program the maximum > would be > $824 ($399 + $175 + $250). The idea here is that you do not have to > pay > for more capacity unless you need it and the subscriber is willing to > pay for it. > > Additionally, the program has mechanisms that create further price > reductions based on the collective volume of the entire cooperative > (the > entire set of all member CPE shipped each quarter). The additional > discounts are automatic and are tripped at various levels. > > I should note also that no billing occurs until the CPE ships each > quarter, so there is no advance payment required. When your ship date > pops up each quarter (a date you set), then the units are drop shipped > directly to you and the billing happens at that point. > > So what about infrastructure (the AU side)? These units are not part > of > the program and are purchased normally through your selected > AlvarionCOMNET VAR and at any time per your need. There are two > types of > AUs. The full AU supports all capacity versions of CPE. AUs ship with > your choice of sector antenna and they provide net throughput of 32 > Mbps > (ftp) at the highest modulation. This unit retails for about $5k and > the > discount you can expect is something you should inquire about with > your > VAR. > > The second AU option is called an AUS and it is designed for more > rural > markets. The AUS retails for about $2,500 and it supports up to 25 CPE > and can connect to 3 and 6 Mbps CPE versions. It provides the same net > capacity as the regular AU. At anytime one can upgrade an AUS to a > full > AU, at which time it will support also the 54 Mbps CPEs and whatever > quantity of CPE the sector and your service model supports (we have > some > customers with over 200 CPE on such an AU). > > The program also has a few other modest benefits which can be > explained > one on one. > > Rick, et al, I hope this provides the information you were looking for > at least on the from end price side of the equation. Let me know > offlist > if you need more or would like to be referred to an AlvarionCOMNET > partner for more details. > > Regards, > > Patrick Leary > AVP, Market Development > Alvarion, Inc. > o: 650.314.2628 > c: 760.580.0080 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "Smith, Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 9:54:54 AM > Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion VL TRUTH > > > I need to hear from a WISP that's BOUGHT and USES Alvarion VL > equipment. > > I need to hear real world pricing info, quantities, etc. > > If anyone can hit me off list, I'd like to throw a few emails back and > forth. > > I'm wondering if my little town coverage project, which was going to > be > all cheap wifi equipment, would be better served by using VL as the > backbone / heavy customer equipment. > > Got some other wonders... > > > > > > ************************************************************************ > ************ This footnote confirms that this email message has been > scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, > vandals & computer viruses(84). > ************************************************************************ > ************ > > > > > > > > ************************************************************************ > ************ > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & > computer viruses. > ************************************************************************ > ************ > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -------- > WISPA Wants You! 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