A lot of it may depend on your area, and what is and isn't standard stock locally. Its special order for me to get Superior Essex or Belden, and costs me more because of it. I also recognize Shireen needs to ship stuff in, just Like I need to ship stuff in, so its fair to figured that into the cost. But even without that, for me its less expensive. Exactly how much less for you, well that depends on your situation.
Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] outdoor CAT5 > They can't be that cheap as I've never used them. :-p I've used Belden, > Superior Essex, and I think Electro-comm. > > > ---------- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 10:41 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] outdoor CAT5 > > >>> Shireen cable >> >> I admit the Shireen boxes and spools are not as durable as some other >> more >> expensive brands, and as a result we have to be more careful with them. >> But >> I really don't understand what all the fuss is about. Its not that big a >> problem. The cable works great for us, its almost all we use now. Not to >> mention, Shireen's support is awesome, and generally he stands behind his >> stuff 100%. >> The cable itself is easy to work with, durable, inexpensive, the right >> size, >> and readilly available, designed specifically for the need of a WISP. >> Also >> remember this is also probably the least expensive product on the market, >> its understandable to save on areas that don't sacrifice the cable >> quality >> itself. All I can say about his cable is "value", I'd recommend it to >> anyone. >> >> Hints: Dont drop it off the side of the roof, Dont store it under your >> ladders and Toolboxes in the VAN, Dont tug on it viciously, Don't drag it >> across rocky roofs, Don't use them as a chair while getting drunk after a >> hard days work, they won't hold up. But normal wear and tear, they are >> fine. >> >> If we need something that will get barried by stone and trampled on, >> we'll >> often use Superior Essex, which is much thicker for the more demanding >> application, But the Superioer Essex is MUCH harder to work with, and 2-3 >> times the price, so we prefer Shireen's for most applications. >> >>> Poor quality seems to plague >> >> I fully disagree. His QC and standard for quality is the best in the >> industry. >> His Pigtails are also expecially high quality, and I'm pretty sure >> everyone >> gets tested. He pretty much only uses the real high quality thicker type >> cable. >> And his price is great considering you are getting the super high quality >> stuff. >> >> One time when we went by his warehouse, to buy and pickup some of the >> good >> pigtail cables. On the way out, he also hands us a large bag of misc >> pigtails, and says here have em. I say what for? He says, "These are >> useable, but I won't sell these. These don't meet our Quality standard, I >> won't put my name on them." (Some were those very thin black and grey >> ones). >> My point is, he'd rather throw them away and loose money, than sell junk. >> There aren't many distributors that have that same standard. >> >> (Funny thing... half of the junk ones worked well enough, when we were in >> short supply :-). >> >>> that cable company. >> >> Actually, they aren't just a "cable" compay. Allthough they also make and >> sell quality cable. >> He's also not just a Distributor/reseller/box mover. >> Shireen is a brilliant Electrical engineer/designer well versed in the >> art >> of manufacturing. Most of their Amps and Filters and stuff are designed >> and >> made by him and/or staff. I've also had the luxury of meeting some of >> his >> onsite staff. I've always found them to be very knowledgeable and >> helpful. >> It becomes clear that the Quality doesn't stop at the CEO, but funnels >> down. >> >> He's got these awesome, super small footprint amplifiers. He's definately >> got it down to a science of how to make it small and compact. >> >> He's also got a new line of Radio/CPE systems, conforming to basic Wifi >> standards. If I remember correctly, its using High grade MTI type >> antennas, >> but at better pricing. >> We don't use it that much, becauses we are a Trango house, but again its >> good value for people using wifi. >> >> I hope I'm not laying it on to thick, but this guy is definately not a >> guy >> that deserves to get a bum rap. >> He's helped us out of binds, more times than I can count, and not once >> has >> he ever asked what he'd get in return. >> Many companies offer price, and many offer support, but getting support >> and >> price is a tough find. >> Shireen is a quality company. >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 10:55 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] outdoor CAT5 >> >> >>> We quit buying Shireen cable because of their spools. We finally gave >>> up >>> and re-spooled 5 spools of it onto other empty (comscope) plastic >>> spools. >>> We >>> have also gotten that cable in on wooden spools and they are equally as >>> bad! >>> Poor quality seems to plague that cable company. The wooden spools are >>> held >>> together by 4 long bolts, but the bolts pull through the thin wood sides >>> and >>> the cable will not unspool and if you take it out of the box it is >>> shipped >>> in - - - - it scatters like a covey of Quail! What a nightmare. >>> >>> I think we are going to have to stay with comscope :) till we hear >>> something else :-) >>> >>> Mac >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>> Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 6:54 PM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] outdoor CAT5 >>>> >>>> We have had similar issues but we had about a dozen of them break and >>>> still counting. The asked me if we would prefer wooden spool within the >>>> box. I told them yes. Something a bit stronger. I don't know about >>>> other >>>> ISP's, but I know I've been caught in a quick summer rain storm and a >>>> heavy snow fall and the boxes get wet. I need to have something a bit >>>> more >>>> reliable in the future. Other than the current spool/box setup. I've >>>> had >>>> no complaints about Shireen cable. >>>> >>>> -Cam >>>> >>>> > I spoke with Shireen (Soe Zarni) about the issue we have been having >>>> > with the "poor quality" of their reel boxes. >>>> > >>>> > Soe told me that they had a shipment that had been unloaded during a >>>> > heavy rain and that many of their boxes of cable got wet. Soe felt >>>> > that this is was the cause of my recent problems with their cable >>>> > boxes falling apart and wanted an opportunity to send me a "good" box >>>> > of cable for me to test out. >>>> > >>>> > We found no problems with the last box of cable we ordered from them >>>> > and am very pleased that this "issue" appears to simply be due to >>>> > water damage. We do hope that they recognize this as a potential >>>> > problem in the future and make changes accordingly, but with their >>>> > excellent service we have no reason to believe otherwise and will >>>> > continue purchasing Cat5 cable from them. >>>> > >>>> > It's also worth noting that Soe offered us credits/discounts for the >>>> > trouble. >>>> > >>>> > We appreciate Shireen's ongoing excellence in customer service and >>>> > look forward to doing business with them in the future. It was very >>>> > clear to me that Shireen was/is serious about their customer's >>>> > satisfaction. >>>> > >>>> > Thank You, Soe!! >>>> > >>>> > Chad Halsted >>>> > Wireless Operations Manager >>>> > The Computer Works >>>> > Conway, AR 72032 >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Chad Halsted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> I'll check into Belden, thanks. Yeah, I think I'm done with Shireen >>>> >> until they figure out a better design. I'd rather have a simple >>>> spool >>>> >> than fight with that crap for one more minute. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Cameron Kilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> > Belden makes good cable too. About $225 for 1000 feet. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Yes the Shireen spool boxes are horrible! We are not going to >>>> order >>>> >> > anymore until they fix this. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Cameron >>>> >> > Midcoast Internet >>>> >> > >>>> >> > -----Original Message----- >>>> >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >> On >>>> >> > Behalf Of Chad Halsted >>>> >> > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 5:15 PM >>>> >> > To: WISPA General List >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] outdoor CAT5 >>>> >> > >>>> >> > For those using Shireen cable, do you guys not have problems with >>>> the >>>> >> > poor quality of their reel/box container? We have had almost >>>> every >>>> >> > box come apart on us before we get 200' of cable pulled off the >>>> reel. >>>> >> > The wire is too loosely wrapped which causes the wire to sink down >>>> >> > into the lower wraps. It's just been a mess. We pay $175.00 for >>>> the >>>> >> > Shireen cable and up until lately we had been pleased with it, but >>>> now >>>> >> > the boxes are so poorly designed we just spend way to much time in >>>> the >>>> >> > field fighting with it. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > For those not using Shireen, where do you get a shielded outdoor >>>> >> > cable? We haven't had very good success using a non-shielded >>>> cable >>>> >> > due to all the lightning (inductance) surges. So, we have to use >>>> >> > shielded, but not much luck finding a Vendor other than Shireen >>>> that >>>> >> > carries it for a fair price. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Ron Wallace >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> >> > wrote: >>>> >> > > Try -www.cablesforless.com-Good Prices and Q >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> ------ >>>> >> > -------- >>>> >> > > WISPA Wants You! 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