Scottie, We already do that. We have a sliding scale licensing model that starts at 16 CPE per sector. I know one other competitor that does this as well ( Airspan )
Jeff Booher Channel Manager, North America www.apertonet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/7: 206-455-4950 On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 19:10:03 -0500, "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > It would be great if this worked for everyone, everywhere. Still vendors > are missing the point in many cases. Every place does NOT have a > potential for 1000 subs (there is not a 1000 homes in the town I live), > nor is every place FLAT that can be reached with service for 1000 subs. I > have 4 900 Mhz AP's on 4 seperate towers just to cover 150 people in one > county we service. I could not cover that many with 4 of your 3.65Ghz, > too many hills. > > Build me an AP that I can buy with licenses for a certain amount of > subscribers. Charge me less than $10,000(or whatever yours cost, it will > definately be higher than my 900Mhz AP) for that AP, then I will buy into > your 3.65. The vendors are taking the same stance as the FCC on these > rural areas, forget about them...no money to be made there. Hey even > rural folks need broadband too, after all we are people just like in the > big cities...only thing is, it doesn't take us an hour or longer to get > to work everyday. :) > > Scott > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "jeffrey thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> > Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 11:45:08 -0700 > > > >Benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz > > > >1. Spectral efficiency ( 4.85 gross bp/hz ) On a six sector > >configuration with only 25mhz of spectrum, you can effectively deliver > >approx 20mb per sector or 120 mb / per pop, 240 mb when all 50 mhz is > >supported. Support for thousands of subscribers is possible off the same > > >Aperto Networks, Inc > >Channel Manager, North America > >www.apertonet.com > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >24/7: 206-455-4950 > > > > > > > >On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 10:14:44 -0500, "Mike Hammett" > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >> Increased spectral efficiency > >> Advanced antenna support (the only benefit I understand is increased > >> signal > >> margin) > >> Higher likelihood of multiple vendors vs. many previous BWA technologies, > >> though not now > >> Eventual lower CPE cost, though not now > >> > >> > >> ---------- > >> Mike Hammett > >> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >> http://www.ics-il.com > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > >> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 8:55 AM > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP > >> > >> > >> > What is your opinion about the greatness of WiMax based upon? > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > >> > Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 7:19 AM > >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP > >> > > >> > > >> >>I believe that WiMax is great... greater than equipment we currently > >> >>use. > >> >> I just don't use it at this time because of the cost. I also don't buy > >> >> into > >> >> a lot of the hype people (press, manufacturers, vendors, others) are > >> >> pushing. I had a project that required 10 meg of synchronous, committed > >> >> bandwidth per customer. I was told (by more than one group) because of > >> >> the > >> >> WiMax magic, I could put 2 - 3 customers on equipment capable of 23 > >> >> megs. > >> >> Sorry, you simply cannot put 10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound box, no > >> >> matter > >> >> the magic. Other than Mikrotik, only the AN-80i would have been worth > >> >> it. > >> >> > >> >> I do appreciate the FCC's requirement of equipment getting along with > >> >> dissimilar equipment. Who knows when we'll have another Canopy or > >> >> Tsunami > >> >> introduced that just doesn't play well with others. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ---------- > >> >> Mike Hammett > >> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >> >> http://www.ics-il.com > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > >> >> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 11:38 PM > >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>>I do not think we should build our networks for the "sole purpose of > >> >>> suckering, err, selling to someone else". I do believe that I want > >> >>> anything I build to have value in the event I do sell. That is not > >> >>> "suckering" anyone. Why not build something that holds value or > >> >>> appreciates in value? I know a future plan for WISPs to build WiMax > >> >>> networks in 3.65 would result in better networks, better valuations > >> >>> for WISPs and better economies of scale. > >> >>> > >> >>> Leaning on 802.11 further is just not the plan we should be using for > >> >>> new bands and new opportunities like we have in 3650. We have a chance > >> >>> to build something greater than we have now. WiMax is what the rest of > >> >>> the world is already using in the 3.4 thru 3.8 GHz band. Do any of you > >> >>> think it is smarter for us to abandon the global scale afforded to us > >> >>> if we adopt WiMax in 3.65? I am surprised more of you are not speaking > >> >>> up and saying you agree with this philosophy. Dividing the camp on > >> >>> this will not help us as an industry. > >> >>> > >> >>> I would like to see this group, for once, accept that we need to do > >> >>> something together, as a group, for the common good. I think this is > >> >>> that opportunity. I see little reason for us to take any other course > >> >>> of action in 3.65 GHz. WISPs need to do something as a group to help > >> >>> our industry. WiMax in 3.65 is that logical step for us to work > >> >>> together and reach some scale and some value. > >> >>> > >> >>> This is not about "suckering" anyone or being "stuck in a rut". This > >> >>> is a chance for us to move to the next level. It is almost > >> >>> embarrassing to me that we are actually behind the rest of the world > >> >>> here in the US when it comes to this band. WiMax is a serious platform > >> >>> with many advantages over anything else we have built and used. The > >> >>> light licensed opportunities in 3.65 are an incredible experiment that > >> >>> we need to show success in. If we choose WiMax and adopt this as the > >> >>> platform for 3.65 I believe we will advance our entire industry to a > >> >>> higher level of funding opportunities, operational reliability, more > >> >>> service offerings, etc. > >> >>> Scriv > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 4:09 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >>>> I know that a certain number of us ARE going to build a network for > >> >>>> the > >> >>>> sole > >> >>>> purpose of suckering...errr, selling it to someone else. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Now, I have severe ethical disagreements with this notion. It > >> >>>> reminds > >> >>>> me > >> >>>> of "flipping houses" or "speculative oil investing", perhaps? > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Now, to build a business SOLELY for the purpose of selling for a huge > >> >>>> chunk > >> >>>> of money to someone larger, of planned consolidation seems > >> >>>> self-defeating. > >> >>>> yes, you might profit, but wha have you really done productively? > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Still, there are many of us who are NOT intending to "build to sell". > >> >>>> We're not in the business of flipping customers to someone else. In > >> >>>> that > >> >>>> case, overspending for the return on your dollar makes little sense. > >> >>>> I'm > >> >>>> not sure if ANY hardware platform makes sense in this industry. If > >> >>>> we > >> >>>> run > >> >>>> the numbers, does it actually havea positive return? I suspect not. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Still, for those of us who aer NOT in the business of polishing up a > >> >>>> turd > >> >>>> to > >> >>>> sell to someone else ( You have no idea how long I've waited to use > >> >>>> that > >> >>>> term, since I read it a few years ago!), the investment and prices > >> >>>> don't > >> >>>> make any real sense... > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> >>>> <insert witty tagline here> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >>>> From: "David Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > >> >>>> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 6:10 AM > >> >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> A number of WISPS are moving to this platform as they find that > >> >>>>> the higher end equipment is worth more on a buyout. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Lets put it this way. If you have a network to sell, how much more > >> >>>>> do > >> >>>>> you > >> >>>>> think you will get if you have Cisco instead of Mikrotik? Nothing > >> >>>>> against > >> >>>>> them, but the quality of your infrastructure is heavily weighed > >> >>>>> during > >> >>>>> a > >> >>>>> buyout. If you don't agree, check the many spam's on this and other > >> >>>>> lists > >> >>>>> from the guys buying networks. Some won't even look at you if you > >> >>>>> don't > >> >>>>> have Canopy or better equipment. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >>>> WISPA Wants You! 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