Chuck, I wasn't suggesting that the POTS tariffs were insufficient to support the POTS infrastructure. I was drawing the conclusion that most of the large ILECs have opted to structure their DSL service offering so as to make a service bundle the only "rational" way to purchase the DSL service. The cost differential between Naked-DSL and DSL+Phone is often such that it is CHEAPER to buy the DSL+Phone.
Thus, the ILEC can force people to choose between continuing to subscribe to POTS or not getting DSL at all. As you note... YOU as a non-RBOC ILEC have the option of refusing to offer "Naked DSL". I should have been more clear with my initial comments. My assumptions are drawn upon the RBOCs (what's left of them). I believe that AT&T is under an agreement with the FTC which provides that they must provide naked DSL in all markets in which they currently of DSL. I wouldn't be surprised if Verizon were not under the same sort of agreement. These were concessions made when negotiating the approval of the RBOC + LD megamergers. Since the RBOCs account for over 90% of the POTS service in the U.S. I sometimes slip and refer to them generically as ILECs. As you validly point out, some independent ILECs continue to exist and have much more flexibility in their service offerings. - Larry -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 2:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Not exactly true. The POTS infrastructure rate of return is recovered through basic rates, NECA and USF settlements. It truly supports itself nicely. We do have to option of refusing to offer "Naked DSL". But that extra revenue does not get applied to local loop support. It goes in our pocket to be spent any way we want. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Yunker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. > While the ILECs may have been unable to directly pass along the cost of > their broadband infrastructure to the consumer, they have successful > engaged > in a reverse of the concept. They have placed the burden of their dying > POTS infrastructure on their broadband subscribers. > > ILECS have instituted tying agreements which essentially force broadband > subscribers into purchasing tariffed services. For example, if you want > $19.95/month DSL, you must-purchase the ILEC's $62/month all frills > included > phone service package. Of course, someone will cry out what about > "naked-DSL"? Yes, it exists in most markets now, but it will cost you > roughly $50-$55/month for the same plan that you would get for > $19.95/month > if you were so kind as to agree to subsidize ma-Bell's poor starving > land-line phone service. > > Seems ironic doesn't it... the ILEC can't force its telephone subscribers > to > pay for its broadband expansion through tariffed rates (it wouldn't work > because most people would get cell phones and ditch the land line before > they would agree to pay a bunch more for their land line), so ILECs work > the > system backwards... people still want DSL, so lets force them to buy our > next-to-useless landline phone service in order to get our coveted > broadband > service. > > Unfortunately, I don't see people cutting their electric company service > and > installing solar cells as a replacements anytime soon, so if the electric > company were to engage in broadband as suggested, it would be scary for > all > other broadband carriers. > > - Larry > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 10:53 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. > > Not true. Not true at all. Cable Companies are not rate of return > regulated. Every dollar they spend is below the line. The ILECS are > strictly regulated as to what can be spent above the line. Tarrifed rates > ONLY support tarrifed services. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 11:52 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. > > >> Why not? >> >> Isn't that kinda what Cable Cos and ILECs Do? >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chuck McCown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 2:37 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. >> >> >>> The power company wants to take rate payer money and build a broadband >>> network that will contact each meter for the purpose of managing energy. >>> It >>> will also supply broadband to the homeowner if they want. This should >>> not >>> be allowed. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "David E. 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