I believe our only chance at mobile devices is TV whitespaces.  900 is too 
full of other things and 3.65 doesn't have enough penetration.

There is at least one other company working on non-802.11 non 802.16 
equipment for 3.65 GHz and 5 GHz with all of these features and 900 MHz with 
some (I'm trying to push them to have the complete set available here too). 
We're talking MIMO, 3.5 bits/s real throughput, GPS sync, etc.

I'm not to reveal their identity, but I will say it's not a DIY system (hey, 
I use Mikrotik too).  It's also going to be far cheaper than 802.16 based 
solutions.  Yes, it's another proprietary, but as others have pointed out, 
WiMAX in the USA is basically proprietary too.

I am watching this REAL closely and am awaiting beta testing all their new 
gear.


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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mini-pci WIMAX cards and drivers... Available anywhere?


> On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 1:12 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> We can hack the MAC on atheros based chipsets.
>
>
> If "hacking th MAC" is your thing I guess you can. I would rather pay for
> companies to produce the properly designed and tested radio platforms and
> sell Internet access to my customers. If I wanted to "hack the MAC" I 
> would
> join the local amateur radio club where many of us could "hack the MAC"
> together and learn from each other about radio theory and such. Sometimes 
> I
> wish I had the time, money and patience (not to mention engineering
> background) to do this. What I know is how to deliver Internet to my
> customers so "hacking the MAC" is probably not a priority for me and most
> WISPs out there.
>
>
>>
>>
>> Well, could, if we could get some funding together and some sharp 
>> minds...
>
>
>
> I think that is what vendors are supposed to do. I pay them to build the
> radios, test them and make improvements. My mind is plenty sharp but I am
> not an engineer of radio technology and design. If I wanted to do that 
> then
> I would learn those things and build equipment to sell to people who build
> networks and sell service (like WISPs).
>
>
>>
>>
>> MIMO interests me too.   Again, the same "hackable" chipsets...
>
>
> MIMO is a big part of what WiMax brings to the table. It is not that WiMax
> is MIMO or vice versa. It is that the WiMax vendors have spent the time 
> and
> money to properly design MIMO into WISP type networks. It is not cheap but
> it is very good. Being able to process the signals of multiple antennas to
> improve delivery and reception of signals is an amazing piece of technical
> wizardry that does not break the laws of physics but it takes them to the
> edge of what is possible.
>
> Delivering the best possible link in all circumstances is something I want
> in my network. I am going to be making the move to WiMax soon to be able 
> to
> do this. I want highly reliable networks that people can trust for voice
> services as well as data. I want to have mobility in my network. I want my
> cell phone on my hip to connect to my own network. I intend to make this
> happen and bring all the things I have learned in a decade of Internet
> access business into this new mobile data and voice world. I believe WISPs
> have a unique opportunity to skip past the cellular operators who are just
> now learning what IP is all about. We know it. We do not have to support a
> legacy technology that is outdated as the cell carriers are right now. 
> WiMax
> is what the cell companies want in 2 more generations of their networks. 
> We
> can build it now. Of course some of you may just want to "hack the MAC". I
> think I will go and upstage the national cell carriers instead.
> Scriv
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> <insert witty tagline here>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 1:04 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mini-pci WIMAX cards and drivers... Available
>> anywhere?
>>
>>
>> > And if you could get then what you do with them??  Wimax mini-pci are
>> > client
>> > side only there is no way to use them as a Wimax base stations. The
>> > protocol
>> > does not allow for it and there is allot more to a base then a radio 
>> > and
>> > software.  This is not to say someone could not hack a radio and hal to
>> do
>> > something that is not Wimax :) But they would still need a license from
>> > Wavesat to do this.
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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