This seems to be happening a lot lately :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>-----Original Message----- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Charles Wu (CTI) >Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 2:17 AM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... - OFFLIST > >Chuck, > >Just a word of friendly advice > >The Canopy / WISP resale world is a competitive and brutal space -- if >your plan is to target WISPs, I'd recommend that you save the trouble >and find another vertical market or product > >The "reseller" cost that you see isn't that far off of what "street >WISP" pricing is for anyone who's deploying in any decent quantity -- >that's just the nature of the business > >You need a minimum of $5 million / year in volume and probably close to >$500k in stock to "get in the WISP game" -- but at this point in the >game, you're in a chicken & egg situation, since I'm not quite sure how >you'd build up that volume, given that > >(1) most WISPs already have pre-existing relationships with their >current suppliers, and inertia is an extremely hard thing to break > >(2) any new WISP you spend the time to get going that results in any >decent volume will probably get swiped by the "bigger guys" because it >ultimately all boils down to price and financing -- and they have the >volume and pricing advantage to take you out of the market > >There's a reason why Streakwave went back to focus on Mikrotik / >Ubiquiti 2 years ago > >Irregardless, whether or not you choose to listen to my advice, Welcome >to the big leagues =) > >-Charles > >P.S. -- we need to sync up again sometime and talk about how IP Pay can >save you $$$ > >-----Original Message----- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Chuck Hogg >Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:13 PM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... > >The cheapest I have ever seen large bulk distributor pricing with >buyback money is a little over $200 per SM except 900Mhz. Now, if you >are looking at the Lite version SM's they certainly can be had for >cheaper. All these WISPs claiming cheaper price is not telling the >truth. Even Motorola disputes the price when questioned (yes I am a >distributor of Motorola products too). Ask that WISP to buy 100 packs >from them for me, I'll pay a 10% premium! > > > >Also, I agree with both of you here. Having both 900MHz Trango and >2.4Ghz MikroTik, the Trango performs very impressively with >50 clients >per AP. I have a few AP's that are currently 100+ and they don't drop >packets, and the latency is great in comparison. However, properly >maintained 802.11 networks do pretty well also, but I don't see them >outperforming what Trango does on clients per AP level. > > > >Regards, > >Chuck Hogg > >Avolutia, LLC >502-722-9292 >ch...@avolutia.com > >http://www.avolutia.com > >http://www.shelbybb.com > > > >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of Travis Johnson >Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:34 PM >To: WISPA General List >Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... > > > >Matt, > >I know we have already discussed this several times, and I'm not sure we >need to do it again... but maybe you could explain how you could have >setup a plain 802.11g wireless AP so that each client (using all >different kinds of wireless adapters) could have gotten equal bandwidth >and latency at AF09? > >And, once again, I have done test after test after test using 802.11 >stuff... and every single time (using Mikrotik without Nstreme, using >StarOS, using OSBridge and using Nanostations) if we setup an AP and we >connect two clients with laptops and start a continuous upload, the >other client is basically dead in the water. Even if we limit the upload >to 2Mbps or 3Mbps, when that client starts the upload, the other client >has very high latency, very bad download speeds, etc. > >As for price on Canopy vs. 802.11... things are not always as they seem. >I know of a large Canopy operator that is buying radios for $160 each. >;) > >And, we have Trango AP's that only deliver 5Mbps total with 128 clients >and we deliver 4ms latency to every single client. > >Travis >Microserv > >Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: > >Sorry Travis, but you are dead wrong about 802.11 not being able to >scale beyond 20 users, especially with 802.11a. I explained how it can > >be done to you before and I have consulting clients with 10,000 plus >users on their 802.11 based networks scaling right up to the same size >as any Canopy or Trango network. You might not be able to get to 150 >subs per AP, but you can certainly hit 50-75 per sector and offer >service that is damn close and a far sight cheaper than what Canopy will > >do. I would take a StarOS a/b/g network over a Canopy system every day >of the week. > >As far as problems at AF09 - that is what you get when Canopy guys are >running an 802.11 network. If I was running it with the proven >equipment and deployment methods that many of us use on 802.11 networks, > >there would not have been any such problems. Just because the AF09 >guys couldn't figure it out (or more likely didn't bother to try) >doesn't mean that it can't be done right. > >Matt Larsen >vistabeam.com > > >Travis Johnson wrote: > > > The problem will be that they are still plain 802.11 technology. >There > is no polling or ARQ or FEC or anything else that makes >technology like > Trango, Canopy and others work so well. We pulled all of our >802.11 > stuff down over 5 years ago. It does NOT scale. You will never >get an AP > with reliable, consistent service with more than 20 users. > > In fact, I think we witnessed this at AF09. Everyone connected >to the > same AP (48 I think was the count) and we continually got >disconnected > and the speeds and latency were terrible. Could there be a >better "real > world" experience than that? :) > > Travis > Microserv > > Jerry Richardson wrote: > > > > All I can do is shake my head. Ubiquity seems to have >acquired some > Area51 technology..... > > > > > __________________________________ > Jerry Richardson > airCloud Communications > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:42 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... > > I deployed my first Bullet5 today. Not the high power, >but the > standard. > > throughput testing showed insignificant difference >between my > Star-OS/WAR1 > combo and the Bullet. The AP shows that the Bullet has >active > compression > and fast frames that functions with my star-os access >point. > > I have not tried the narrower channels to see if they're >compatible with > my star-os AP's. > > They have been certified with up to 30 db antennas. > > Summary... 1 bullet5, 1 pacwireless 25 db grid >w/pigtail, 1 universal > mount = very cheap 5 ghz cpe - about $130 - 140 >complete. Even > nicer??? > > The bullet slides down INTO the universal mount pipe, >becoming invisible > after you mount and aim it. > > Just FYI... The Bullet does NAT and has a DHCP server >built in. No > need > for a router, allows you to have a fully routed network. > > Opinion.... I like them. > > > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > <insert witty tagline here> > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -------- > WISPA Wants You! 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