Uh oh...we've started a holy war... <ducking>
Here's my philosophy these days...*NOTHING* works perfectly, but *ANYTHING* can be made to work -> if there's will (and a little bit of ingenuity and duct tape), there's a way =) That being said, there's a case to be made, especially when we're talking scale here, when the "wizard of oz" can no longer run everything, but crews of "dumb minions" have taken over, that a case for paying a premium on hardware can be made due to the labor cost savings for stuff that just works "out of the box" vs. stuff that requires "some tweaks" and "tribal knowledge" to make work properly Heck, we paid a premium and converted our infrastructure to Windows and Cisco b/c the benefit of hiring someone who had certs and could be productive in 2 weeks of hiring was worth the extra premium than trying to wait & train a new guy for 6-9 months... My 2 cents On another topic, I've been looking at Cat-5 cable for CPE installs, and am trying to figure out what color everyone likes best Talking about the cheap, outdoor rated unshielded Cat-5e Me personally, I would have thought black, but I'm finding many seem to prefer white/beige b/c it blends in better with vinyl siding Thoughts? -Charles -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 9:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... Sorry Travis, but you are dead wrong about 802.11 not being able to scale beyond 20 users, especially with 802.11a. I explained how it can be done to you before and I have consulting clients with 10,000 plus users on their 802.11 based networks scaling right up to the same size as any Canopy or Trango network. You might not be able to get to 150 subs per AP, but you can certainly hit 50-75 per sector and offer service that is damn close and a far sight cheaper than what Canopy will do. I would take a StarOS a/b/g network over a Canopy system every day of the week. As far as problems at AF09 - that is what you get when Canopy guys are running an 802.11 network. If I was running it with the proven equipment and deployment methods that many of us use on 802.11 networks, there would not have been any such problems. Just because the AF09 guys couldn't figure it out (or more likely didn't bother to try) doesn't mean that it can't be done right. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Travis Johnson wrote: > The problem will be that they are still plain 802.11 technology. There > is no polling or ARQ or FEC or anything else that makes technology like > Trango, Canopy and others work so well. We pulled all of our 802.11 > stuff down over 5 years ago. It does NOT scale. You will never get an AP > with reliable, consistent service with more than 20 users. > > In fact, I think we witnessed this at AF09. Everyone connected to the > same AP (48 I think was the count) and we continually got disconnected > and the speeds and latency were terrible. Could there be a better "real > world" experience than that? :) > > Travis > Microserv > > Jerry Richardson wrote: > >> All I can do is shake my head. Ubiquity seems to have acquired some >> Area51 technology..... >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Jerry Richardson >> airCloud Communications >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us >> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:42 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... >> >> I deployed my first Bullet5 today. Not the high power, but the >> standard. >> >> throughput testing showed insignificant difference between my >> Star-OS/WAR1 >> combo and the Bullet. The AP shows that the Bullet has active >> compression >> and fast frames that functions with my star-os access point. >> >> I have not tried the narrower channels to see if they're compatible with >> my star-os AP's. >> >> They have been certified with up to 30 db antennas. >> >> Summary... 1 bullet5, 1 pacwireless 25 db grid w/pigtail, 1 universal >> mount = very cheap 5 ghz cpe - about $130 - 140 complete. Even >> nicer??? >> >> The bullet slides down INTO the universal mount pipe, becoming invisible >> after you mount and aim it. >> >> Just FYI... The Bullet does NAT and has a DHCP server built in. No >> need >> for a router, allows you to have a fully routed network. >> >> Opinion.... 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