20 MHz works now, why wouldn't it work later? Because the international markets where WiMAX was designed for don't have that sort of capacity.
10 MHz doesn't add that much distance over 20 MHz in other systems. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeff Booher" <jefftho...@fastmail.fm> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 5:11 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? > I think it was clarified earlier that with a wider channel you get a much > greater reduction in effective range as well as increasing the required > CINR > to achieve maximum modulation. So while it could be made ( and I know of > one > company that did make a 20mhz channel wide wimax "D" product ) the > question > is the logic of making it. Now with 802.16e, you can see more throughput, > but its in the downlink, not the uplink. Bottom line is- No one is going > to > make a 40mhz wimax product, because its going to work @ peak modulation > for > like, maybe a mile or 2? > > - > > Jeff > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:09 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? > > If I don't expect it, why will the manufacturers make it? > > They seem to be happy to court the guy offering 1 megabit out of a $8k > radio > when anything made in the past 8 years could do the same thing. > > Do I expect to take Joe mainstream away from Comcast? No. Do I want to > be > seen as the dialup to their superhighway? Definitely not. > > I plan to switch to usage based billing, but I also want a system that > will > supply the demand. > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "3-dB Networks" <wi...@3-db.net> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 2:01 PM > To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? > >> Well the Canopy 430 series is going to do 42Mbps... but even then how >> well >> is that going to work... considering your clients are going to have to be >> within 2 miles. >> >> I don't think you should have a realistic expectation that wireless (in a >> point to multipoint environment) is going to match the "next generation" >> demand. You can pray and hope... but I think in many ways the laws of >> physics are going to prevent wireless from competing with DSL/Cable... >> and >> god forbid, FTTH. >> >> Anyways... as has also been mentioned on this list... I'd expect in 5 >> years >> most service providers are going to charge by usage... so stream that 5mb >> movie all you want for three hours... but you're going to pay me for it. >> >> Daniel White >> 3-dB Networks >> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>>Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>>Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:56 PM >>>To: WISPA General List >>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>> >>>Others on the list have mentioned the exponential increase in video use. >>>Those are multi megabit streams ran for hours on end. I believe someone >>>reported that NetFlix peaked at 5 megabits. Why would I deploy gear >>>that >>>couldn't handle these next generation services? >>> >>> >>>----- >>>Mike Hammett >>>Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>>-------------------------------------------------- >>>From: "3-dB Networks" <wi...@3-db.net> >>>Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:13 PM >>>To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>> >>>> Because speed isn't everything. >>>> >>>> Mesa went head to head with Cable and DSL for a long time... offering >>>> packages of 7Mb this or that. Our highest package was 2.5Mb/1Mb. Yet >>>we >>>> still did a very respectful job, because we offered the best customer >>>> service around, and people liked using a local company. >>>> >>>> I would challenge... is why does anyone need more than 2Mb at home? I >>>> have >>>> a 15Mb Business Class Comcast connection at home... it burst to 30Mb. >>>Yet >>>> it doesn't feel any faster than a 2Mb connection to me. >>>> >>>> Now if I'm downloading files... :-) >>>> >>>> Daniel White >>>> 3-dB Networks >>>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >>>> >>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>On >>>>>Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>>>>Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 11:58 AM >>>>>To: WISPA General List >>>>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>> >>>>>2 megs is yesterday's news. >>>>> >>>>>U-Verse is 18/1.5 >>>>>FiOS is 50/20 >>>>>Charter has 60/5 >>>>>Comcast has 50/10 >>>>> >>>>>2 megs is 36 times faster than 56k. Charter is 30 times faster than >>>>>that. >>>>> >>>>>Why is the wireless world happy with being 10 years behind the wired >>>>>world? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>----- >>>>>Mike Hammett >>>>>Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>http://www.ics-il.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-------------------------------------------------- >>>>>From: "Kevin Suitor" <ksui...@redlinecommunications.com> >>>>>Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 10:42 AM >>>>>To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>> >>>>>> We have customers worldwide who operate sectors typically with >>>>>hundreds >>>>>> of residential clients with 2 Mbps downlink / 256 or 512 kbps uplink >>>>>and >>>>>> some with who run entry level service (by NA standards) of 384 kbps >>>>>> downlink / 128 kbps uplink that have an average of 250 clients per >>>>>> sector with 6 sectors per BTS in an urban market. >>>>>> >>>>>> The WiMAX MAC is much more sophisticated than other MACs used in >>>>>> wireless networking. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best Regards, >>>>>> Kevin >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>>On >>>>>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:20 PM >>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>>> >>>>>> More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a >>>>>> WiMAX >>>>>> AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> From: "Jeff Booher" <jefftho...@fastmail.fm> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM >>>>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>>> >>>>>>> It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base >>>>>>> station, >>>>>>> that only supports 30 subscribers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jeff >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- >>>boun...@wispa.org] >>>>>> On >>>>>>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM >>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm certainly interested in ptmp. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it? >>>>>>> marlon >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Gino Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com> >>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gino A. Villarini >>>>>>>> g...@aeronetpr.com >>>>>>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >>>>>>>> tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- >>>boun...@wispa.org] >>>>>> On >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM >>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to >>>>>> the >>>>>>>> UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Take care leon >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >>>>>>>>> I'm looking into this too. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector >>>>>install >>>>>>>>> at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even >>>>>see >>>>>>>>> that tower.... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Anyone have any better ideas? >>>>>>>>> marlon >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: "Gino Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com> >>>>>>>>> To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <motor...@wispa.org>; "WISPA >>>>>> General >>>>>>>> List" >>>>>>>>> <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM >>>>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Fellow operators: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Any updates on experiences with: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, >>>>>>>>>> Airspan ??? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Gino A. 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