I would like to see some test cases with real world stats on these. If they do what they claim it would make them a very appealing choice.
3-dB Networks wrote: > Yes it is MIMO. It operates in the same channel in Horizontal and > Vertical... much like Orthogon et. al. > > Your right though... its sales fluff (which in this case though could be > helpful sales fluff). Guess I got caught up in it without really thinking > about that :-) > > Daniel White > 3-dB Networks > http://www.3dbnetworks.com > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Bob Moldashel >> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 12:32 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex >> >> The Exalt is also a TDM radio. >> >> I didn't see that Radwin was MIMO. Does it operate on the same channel >> or does horizontal and vertical need to be on separate channels? >> >> I agree that Radwin "advertises" full duplex but again that is either a >> mistake or sales fluff. All the equipment is TDD. >> >> And I agree that as long as the customer gets what he thinks he wants, >> that is the goal. >> >> -B- >> >> 3-dB Networks wrote: >>> Radwin radios are designed for TDM transport... that is really the >> market >>> they play towards... cellular carriers. Transport is fixed to "full >>> duplex"... and designed with that in mind. But from an RF standpoint >> you >>> would be right since it only transmits on one channel. >>> >>> The Radwin gear transmits in two 20MHz channels, one horizontal >> polarity and >>> one vertical polarity... I don't see any reason to doubt their >> throughput >>> numbers. >>> >>> But at the end of the day... if the customer wants to see a "full >> duplex" >>> radio... only the Radwin one is marketed that way. My experience is >> most >>> customers like this don't care how it actually works... as long as it >> does >>> what they think they want. >>> >>> Daniel White >>> 3-dB Networks >>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >>> >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >>>> Behalf Of Bob Moldashel >>>> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:54 AM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex >>>> >>>> There is alot of confusion here. >>>> >>>> From a RF standpoint NONE of this equipment is full duplex. >>>> >>>> From an Ethernet Port standpoint I know the exalt gives me full >> duplex >>>> specs. I cannot answer for Motorola or the others. >>>> >>>> The biggest thing you should look for is support, asymetrical >> bandwidth >>>> capabilities, and REAL throughput data. I know for a fact that the >> data >>>> through the Exalt is 55 Mbps aggregate. So I can get 25/25 or an >>>> asymetrical part of that. No sales fluff on that number. >>>> >>>> The Motorola is rated at 43 Mbps. >>>> >>>> If you go my Radwin's spec sheet they do a remarkable 100 Mb over a >> 20 >>>> mhz. channel. That's either totall incredible or that's some real >> fluff! >>>> Ligowave says "up to 40 Mb" and they probably say that depending on >>>> channel size. But 40 mb is the max. >>>> >>>> I can't answer for Redline as I don't have a public safety spec sheet >> in >>>> front of me. >>>> >>>> As far as the customer is concerned you need to provide full duplex >> to >>>> his demarc. Do not get confused with what happens when it leaves that >>>> point. >>>> >>>> Bob >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 3-dB Networks wrote: >>>> >>>>> Exalt is a good choice... but like Ligowave and Redline would be >> half >>>>> duplex. Just like Moto would be a good choice (I actually have a >> PtP >>>> 400 >>>> >>>>> Full connectorized link on the shelf that I am dying to sell :-) >>>>> >>>>> The Radwin RW2000/WL1000 are the only 4.9GHz links that I know of >> that >>>> are >>>> >>>>> Full Duplex >>>>> >>>>> As for the commercial over 4.9GHz... I seem to remember from a >> thread >>>> a long >>>> >>>>> time ago that it was possible... but I don't recall any details. >>>>> >>>>> Daniel White >>>>> 3-dB Networks >>>>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- >> boun...@wispa.org] >>>> On >>>> >>>>>> Behalf Of Plexicomm Admin >>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:10 AM >>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex >>>>>> >>>>>> Did you look at Exalt? >>>>>> >>>>>> Dan English >>>>>> Plexicomm - Internet Solutions >>>>>> d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 >>>>>> Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Matt Jenkins" <m...@smarterbroadband.net> >>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:06 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 Full Duplex >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Ok I cannot find a decent 4.9 FD radio. 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