Statements need validity. Maybe they're full of it? On 9/17/09, St. Louis Broadband <li...@stlbroadband.com> wrote: > I am just not getting this. We have two competitors that state that they > can provide 14 Mbps wireless broadband to a very heavily tree canopied area. > The best we could do is with 900 MHz and that would only provide 3.3 Mbps, > if luck. > > How can these folks get away with such amazing statements? > > Victoria > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Tom DeReggi > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 2:24 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects > > I dont have much confident in anyone gaining access to someone else's > network inexpensively, unless that network is owned by a small local > company, short in front end sales resources themselves, that truly benefits > from having other partners to drive demand. > > Example... Yesterday I tried to buy capacity (7 mbps) Wholesale access to > TowerStream's broadband network for 1 day, and they quoted me $11,000 and > refused to budge. > And they had a live tower/NOC 500 yards away. The wholesale price for 1 > year, would have been just as bad. Obviously, we chose another option. To > them, its all about what the market will bear, and has absolutely nothing to > > do with their cost. Many grant winners will have the same mentality, and > the fact that they got their grant for free, will have no effect on their > pricing sctructure, or pricing structure for wholesale, or desire to even > havea wholesale offering. > > The truth is, I just dont see Public traded or VC funded companies sharing > their grant funded networks ethically, regardless of the open access > requirments. > And a lot of the grant winners are likely going to be the one with financial > > and investment backing. > > Its different for small WISPs. Small WISPs partner with other WISPs all the > time, because there is a mutual benefit for doing so. > I sure hope some small WISPs win some grants, and maybe the wholesale > requirements of the program might actually make it to a beneficial reality. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert West" <robert.w...@just-micro.com> > To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:56 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects > > >> Nah, the plan they have is just to use microwave to bring it in. A system >> of towers, is what they propose. No fiber. A million bucks worth of >> towers >> and radios? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch >> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:18 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects >> >> Why not? You should be able to take advantage of that cheaper >> bandwidth too I'd think. Assuming it's a fiber build, they are going >> to have tons of excess capacity. >> >> Chuck >> >> On Sep 17, 2009, at 9:20 AM, Robert West wrote: >> >>> In our case, our competitor applied for a shade under a million >>> bucks to >>> provide middle mile into the area, as in to bring cheaper broadband >>> to the >>> masses. That doesn't sound like it will benefit us, the cheaper >>> broadband >>> is for their system. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On >>> Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:28 PM >>> To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects >>> >>> Though it is a requirement (as Tim set out), the requirement doesn't >>> really have a lot of teeth in my view. If a competitor doesn't want >>> you on, they can design it so it's hard to get on. >>> >>> For example, a fiber carrier has to have an attachment point built in >>> for you to attach at a given location. If there isn't one nearby, well >>> tough. >>> >>> If there is an attachment point but you can't come to terms, it goes >>> to arbitration. However, they aren't obligated to give you wholesale >>> access...just "attachment", whatever the heck that means. There just >>> seems to me to be 100 ways to Sunday for a large carrier to play their >>> usual games with this stuff and block the intent. >>> >>> So basically, based on the wording of the rule, it's hard to see how >>> they are going to achieve the intent behind the goal unless the >>> provider is willing to and interested in doing so. >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> >>> On Sep 15, 2009, at 10:39 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: >>> >>>> Does the process explicitly say that an awarded company has to open >>>> their network to competition? Or is this sort of a vague rule? >>>> >>>> Scottie >>>> >>>> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >>>> From: Chuck Bartosch <ch...@clarityconnect.com> >>>> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:06:11 -0400 >>>> >>>>> There is no provision in the rules to protest a plan because you >>>>> don't >>>>> think it's a good plan. >>>>> >>>>> In fact, there's an OMB circular (from July I believe) that >>>>> explicitly >>>>> disallows ANY communication until the evaluation process is over >>>>> about >>>>> individual applications with the grant reviewers OR the agency over >>>>> anything except for contesting an application due to your coverage >>>>> area. I don't think I kept a copy of that circular, but I'm sure you >>>>> can find it on line. >>>>> >>>>> The only exception is if they reach out to you-but they are >>>>> instructed >>>>> to ignore and refuse any other input. They are bound by law on this. >>>>> >>>>> Just to be clear here, you *could* talk to them in very general >>>>> terms >>>>> about how the application process worked. But you cannot talk in any >>>>> form about an individual application, yours or anyone else's. >>>>> >>>>> It might sound like I'm nay-saying here, but I'm just pointing out >>>>> what the law allows you to do-and it doesn't allow the approach >>>>> you're >>>>> suggesting as I understood the circular. >>>>> >>>>> Chuck >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 15, 2009, at 12:28 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Its also feasible to protest a plan simply because its a poor plan. >>>>>> The >>>>>> NTIA/RUS needs to approve grants for companies that use tax payer >>>>>> money >>>>>> optimally wisely and benefit the public, and >>>>>> adhere to the NOFA rules. If you think you can do a better plan, >>>>>> but didn;t >>>>>> have time to submit it until Round2, why should the ROund1 plan get >>>>>> approved >>>>>> if its less good? >>>>>> And if one doubts the entent of an applicant, we should tell NTIA >>>>>> what we >>>>>> think. We are not only competing providers, but we are also the >>>>>> public that >>>>>> has to pay the taxes 5to fund these projects. >>>>>> >>>>>> I know in my State, there were numerous good applications that >>>>>> targeted >>>>>> truely needy areas, and made an effort to avoid other provider >>>>>> infrastructure. I plan to support those projects. >>>>>> For example only about 20% in my opinion were bad applications that >>>>>> would >>>>>> directly compete with me and other WISPs in their core markets. I >>>>>> plan to >>>>>> protest that 20%. Anyone that was smart would have avoided pre- >>>>>> existing >>>>>> providers or called them a head of time to work benefit for them >>>>>> into the >>>>>> proposal to gain their support. If they didn't do that, they >>>>>> deserve to >>>>>> have their applications protested, in my opinion. >>>>>> >>>>>> As well, if a grant application covers an area that you entended on >>>>>> applying >>>>>> for in Round2, I see no problem in telling NTIA/RUS that, and >>>>>> advising that >>>>>> the Round1 funds are oversubscribed, and Round1 funds should go to >>>>>> projects >>>>>> without alledged conflict of interests first, and at minimum deny >>>>>> the >>>>>> conflcit of interest applicants until round2, where they can be >>>>>> mroe >>>>>> fairly >>>>>> considered, and so there is more time to gain fact on what is and >>>>>> isn't >>>>>> underserved areas, and consider all potential applicants for the >>>>>> areas. >>>>>> >>>>>> Tom DeReggi >>>>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "L. Aaron Kaplan" <aa...@lo-res.org> >>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 9:19 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Seriously? You would categorize government-subsidized broadband >>>>>>>> expansion >>>>>>>> as capitalistic competition? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I should have said - receiving some funds and thus increasing the >>>>>>> speed of biz expansion. >>>>>>> I see nothing un-capitalistic per se about receiving funds in >>>>>>> order >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> revive the economy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The real question however is, will *only* the big boys get >>>>>>> something >>>>>>> thus driving the smaller boys out of biz! >>>>>>> (maybe that is the case in the original posting and I just did not >>>>>>> know it). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *If* the stimulus package would be needed in the first place >>>>>>> however, >>>>>>> is of course a completely different topic. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But seems like I just put my fingers into a wound. 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