Mike Hammett wrote:
Free speech protections are exactly that - free speech protections. The First Amendment to the Constitution protects you against the Government but I submit that if your ISP cuts you off from the Internet because they don't like your politics then your Free Speech has been restricted and that's why a rule is necessary to be sure your ISP can't cut you off not because of how much bandwidth you are using (they can slow you down to the level that you signed up for) but simply because of your opinions or what (legal) website you visit.Free speech protections are against the government, not individuals and companies. Speak your mind to your boss, get fired, then try to sue under the First Amendment. Fat chance. That's just not practical for many people, as I pointed out. They often can't go elsewhere and most people can't "start their own".I provided for there not being alternatives in my previous message... start ISP C (or B if no one else is there). If you don't like it, go somewhere else or do it on your own. And if the satellite company doesn't like it because your politics are different from their politics, now where are you going to go???You don't have the right to say whatever at zero cost (nor the right to an audience), just the right to say whatever. You can get wholesale satellite access anywhere in the world (host county regulations withstanding). There's your right to say what you want. You just have to weigh your desire to say it against the cost of doing so. Filtering for bandwidth is perfectly OK and any ISP that isn't already going that is WAAAAY behind the curve. But if you filter for bandwidth (as you should be doing already) then you can not filter just because you don't like what somebody is doing with the legal bandwidth that you agreed to sell them. You can restrict their bandwidth to the agreed-level (and you should) but if you cut me off because you don't like what I'm saying then that is (or should be) illegal.Besides, WE are the ISPs. I see ZERO possible way it benefits us at all. Not only does it force us to not filter, but it removes the business case of an ISP (or service) that doesn't filter. Since by law then no ISP could filter, there wouldn't be an advantage. I don't follow your point here. DO restrict bandwidth to the contracted level, just don't tell me where on the Internet I can or can not go.Maybe I had a $40 connection that had P2P speed limiters or blocking or what have you. I could have a $100 connection that didn't have those.... or a wholesale connection. Why would anyone want to spend $150/meg for unrestricted bandwidth instead of $40 for 6 megs when the government prevents you from restricting in the first place. "Reasonable" should be defined in the law and (if necessary) interpreted by the courts.Yes, I know there's a clause in there about reasonable protection measures, but the definition of reasonable is purposely vague. If someone doesn't like you, all of a sudden your restriction is unreasonable. I think you did an excellent job of expressing yourself without going off-track into politics. This issue is really bigger than traditional left-right politics. I think this issue is one area (I could be wrong; we'll see...) where the left and the right will agree that they don't want to be silenced by anybody - not by the government and not by telecom or Internet companies. Everybody understands the dangers of censorship and dictatorship where people lose their right to speak freely. I don't think that statement is too "political" either. I think Freedom transcends politics but if I'm wrong then I apologize. I've been pretty quiet lately but when it comes to preserving Freedom (for everyone, left, center and right) I feel I need to speak up and take a stand. I hope you understand.I think I said what I meant to say without going too far off topic into politics. jack ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jack Unger" <jun...@ask-wi.com> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 5:07 PM To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net NeutralityThe government is actually protecting your freedom to access any Internet content you choose and your freedom to say whatever you want to say. The arguement that you can just move to another ISP is false because, as most WISPs know, many rural citizens don't have ANY ISP or maybe just one wireless ISP to choose from therefore they can't just "move to another ISP if the first ISP doesn't like what they have to say and shuts them off. Further, even if you have more than one ISP, how are you going to get the news or get your opinions out if BOTH ISPs (or ALL ISPs) disagree with your opinion and shut you off. Your arguement is like saying "I enjoy Free Speech" right now but I don't want the government to interfere in order to protect my Free Speech when AT&T doesn't like what I have to say and shuts my Internet service off. If AT&T wants to take your Free Speech away then you are saying to the Government "Hey, let them take it! I'd rather lose my freedom then have you telling AT&T what to do. STOP protecting my Free Speech right now!!!". Mike Hammett wrote:What I don't like about it is another case of the government telling me what to do. More regulations is less freedom. If someone doesn't like the way ISP A operates, move to ISP B. If they don't like ISP B, find ISP C, or start ISP C, or maybe you shouldn't be doing what you're wanting to in the first place. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jack Unger Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 4:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality Congress and the FCC would define "reasonable". It's their job to write the laws and make the rules. Net neutrality (NN) is about "free speech". NN would prohibit your carrier from delaying your packets or shutting off your service because they didn't like what you had to say or what web site you wanted to surf or post to. NN is "anti-censorship" therefore NN is "pro-freedom". If you write a letter to your local newspaper, the editor can refuse to print it. WITHOUT Net Neutrality, your carrier can decide to block your packets. Net neutrality is about remaining a free nation. What's not to like about that? Josh Luthman wrote: Who's definition of unreasonable... On 9/19/09, Jack Unger <jun...@ask-wi.com> wrote: The proposal doesn't say you have to provide unlimited bandwidth. Reasonable network management policies are allowed. Robert West wrote: Another unfunded mandate. If I were to provide net neutral broadband the price would be $120 per meg. Maybe my customers would understand if I explained how it's net neutral. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 2:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Net Neutrality It's back.... http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,552503,00.html?test=latestnews -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WISPA Wants You! 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