No, I'm not a coder, I'm a farm boy.  Our definition of tower, 2 or more way
into it, a repeater just one.
So, if you know it's down, log in and turn one off and one on.

Marlon, educate me, why do the farmers want these? Starting irrigation
pumps?

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 8:09 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fault tolerant tower deployment

Chuck,

Have you written any scripts to automate those din relays based on 
input from another application?  Like if a radio or router becomes 
unreachable, throw relays to take the bad one out of line and put the 
backup one in?  You've gotten me thinking ...

Mike

At 10:20 PM 10/29/2009, Chuck wrote:
>Or do it your way and add this to the mix, and to switch radios you don't
>have to go to the tower.
>
>http://www.dinrelay.com
>
>this unit saves the trip up the hill.  Small one $125 with auto reboot, 16
>port $295
>
>All of our towers have these and a few repeaters. Now with auto reboot on
>most of the radio boards,
>it's mostly used to boot routers, switches, or hung boards.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Mike
>Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 7:29 PM
>To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fault tolerant tower deployment
>
>Based at least partly on what I've learned on this list:
>
>An enclosure can contain radios from 2 different bands with no issues.
>
>A dual band sector has less wind loading than one of each.
>
>Radios and enclosures have gotten cheaper.
>
>It really wouldn't be any more complicated than having a spare radio
>"on the tower," if implemented properly. If an entire router or power
>supply failed there would be an entirely redundant unit ready to go
>into service.
>
>So there would be no single unit.  If either radio, or either router
>died, the drone would take over.  Each antenna would have a redundant
>radio in a DIFFERENT enclosure.
>
>Mike
>
>
>At 09:07 PM 10/29/2009, you wrote:
> >I think the concept of combining functionality into single units and
fault
> >tolerant redundancy are mutually exclusive.
> >
> >I believe more people have had problems with more complicated installs
than
> >more simple ones vs. failed components on simple installs.  I think a
well
> >planned combination of both including redundancy where it counts would be
> >best IMO
> >
> >Scott Carullo
> >Brevard Wireless
> >321-205-1100 x102
> >
> >
> >----------------------------------------
> >
> >From: "Mike" <m...@aweiowa.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 9:05 PM
> >To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> >Subject: [WISPA] Fault tolerant tower deployment
> >
> >I have been thinking of putting together a fully fault tolerant tower
> >setup.
> >
> >1 antenna; two radios.  Separate CAT5, separate box. If one radio
> >failed, the other would come on-line.  The replacement climb would be
> >taken out of the EMERGENCY category.
> >
> >A complete system would be a 3) 5.8 120 degree sectors, plus 3) 2.4
> >(or 900 MHz) degree sectors.  6) small waterproof enclosures would
> >contain a router and one of each radio.
> >
> >I know on some of the MT router boards there is a fan header that
> >could be used to energize a relay.  Microwave relays are readily
> >available and have acceptable insertion loss.  Would a stripline
> >divider like Cameron suggested in another thread be the answer
> >instead? Passive solutions are always better.  If the antennas were
> >dual-band, wind load on a tower could really be lowered.  Besides
> >redundancy, consolidating wind load would be my goal.
> >
> >Has anybody done anything like this?  Can't seem to find any on the net.
> >
> >Am I mad?  Mike
> >
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