Do we have to do the logging or just give them a port to connect their 
"magic box" into so they can record everything?

LaRoy McCann
Data Technology

Jerry Richardson wrote:
> no it's not.
>
> but a subpoena means drop everything and do it now. I'd rather be  
> prepared to comply
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Nov 10, 2009, at 12:01 PM, "Adam Goodman" <a...@wispring.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> Sounds like a lot of work. I think the question should be - Is it
>> really your (our) job to protect those crappies revenue stream?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Jerry Richardson
>> <jrichard...@aircloud.com> wrote:
>>     
>>> So if you are running a NAT/DHCP network, how would you find the  
>>> offending customer? We are running static/public so we don't run  
>>> into this.
>>>
>>> I think the simplest way is to require the studio to provide the IP  
>>> for the server delivering copyrighted information.
>>>
>>> The ISP has to be tracking CPE MACs.
>>>
>>> Use MT's torch or Wireshark to look at connections across the  
>>> network to find the BT server IP. Match the connection to the MAC  
>>> and there you go.
>>>
>>> Maybe there is an easier way.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
>>> boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:11 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
>>>
>>> Really to cover yourself you would need to know what customer it  
>>> came from,
>>> When NAT'ing that's hard to do. So yeah, I would agree you the ISP  
>>> could
>>> become the sole person responsible for that unless you can point  
>>> fingers at
>>> a customer.
>>>
>>> Nick Olsen
>>> Brevard Wireless
>>> (321) 205-1100 x106
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>
>>> From: "os10ru...@gmail.com" <os10ru...@gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:03 AM
>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
>>>
>>> What are you guys doing who have some/all of your network nat'ed?  
>>> Seems
>>> like then more of the burden might fall on you.
>>>
>>> GReg
>>>
>>> On Nov 10, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Adam Goodman wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> To me the question is how much work should I invest in order to
>>>> protect "their" copyright interest. It makes sense to me that since
>>>> they have no way of knowing the identity of the customer and all  
>>>> they
>>>> really have is an ip address. That the ISP would have to connect the
>>>> copyright owner to the customer. Billing them for the research work
>>>> sounds like good idea to me. That way I am not preventing them from
>>>> contacting the perpetrating party, and I also get paid for my time.
>>>>
>>>> -Adam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Robert West <robert.w...@just-micro.com 
>>>>         
>>> wrote:
>>>       
>>>>> I agree.  I'm not the sheriff, I'm just the messenger boy.  I  
>>>>> pass it
>>>>>           
>>> along
>>>       
>>>>> and forget it.  Not my job.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob-
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
>>>>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:41 PM
>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
>>>>>
>>>>> Notify customer, give a warning, make not on account, disregard  
>>>>> studio
>>>>> letter.  Wait for subpoena before giving the studios any  
>>>>> information.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Chuck Hogg
>>>>> Shelby Broadband
>>>>> 502-722-9292
>>>>> ch...@shelbybb.com
>>>>> http://www.shelbybb.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
>>>>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Adam Goodman
>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:12 PM
>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
>>>>>
>>>>> We have received an email from our provider with a complaint from
>>>>> "Twentieth Century FOX Film Corporation" about a download movie  
>>>>> from
>>>>> BitTorrent.
>>>>>
>>>>> They demand we notify the customer and make sure the customer is  
>>>>> aware
>>>>> of our AUP. Has anyone received a notice like this and how did you
>>>>> handle the case. Are you following DMCA protocol, or taking another
>>>>> path?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Adam
>>>>>
>>>>>
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