funny ....I figured most people on this list would prefer "American Made" .... me.... I'll take my Ford Expedition and my Harley for fun....
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gino Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Cc: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear > For that i have my Nissan Pathfinder > > Sent from my Motorola Startac... > > > On Dec 30, 2009, at 5:35 PM, "Patrick Leary" <ple...@apertonet.com> > wrote: > >> Personally, I prefer my 4-door Wrangler with my custom roof rack. I >> can >> go anywhere, carry the kids and stuff, drop the top, pull my trailer >> with bikes and camping gear AND carry my kayaks. Try that in a Porsche >> or Corvette! ...the wireless equivalent? Idunno...maybe an old >> Freewave >> 900 MHz hopper? >> >> >> Patrick Leary >> Aperto Networks >> 813.426.4230 mobile >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >> Behalf Of Gino Villarini >> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:25 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear >> >> Funny >> >> But I would say Im very satisfied with my current BMW >> >> Gino A. Villarini >> g...@aeronetpr.com >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >> 787.273.4143 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >> Behalf Of 3-dB Networks >> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:04 AM >> To: 'WISPA General List' >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear >> >> Sorry I saw this on CNN and it made me laugh >> >> http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/30/autos/GM_Corvette_recall.cnnw/ >> index.htm >> >> Daniel White >> 3-dB Networks >> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >> dan...@3-db.net >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:33 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear >> >> I'd say it'd be more like comparing a Corvette with a Porsche... in >> the >> >> right hands in many cases, a Corvette will beat the Porsche, but the >> Porsche >> >> is 35x more expensive. >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Gino Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:01 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Cc: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear >> >>> Tom >>> >>> ROTFL >>> >>> You can't compare a ubiquiti to a motorola 16e >>> >>> That's like comparing a Yugo with a Porsche >>> >>> Sent from my Motorola Startac... >>> >>> >>> On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:00 PM, "Tom DeReggi" >>> <wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I will admit, Moto has made a name for itself as a company that is >>>> here for the long haul. >>>>> From that perspective, its always excitign to learn about new Moto >>>>> products >>>> on their way. >>>> >>>> No problem with the $350 CPE level. >>>> >>>> But, I'd argue $3500 AP is still way to high, even for 802.16e MIMO. >>>> >>>> The truth is, we all know the cost to make a MIMO device hardware is >>>> not that much more than to make legacy non-MIMO, or I should say, >>>> very insignificant compared to the market value of the higher >>>> capacity. >>>> Its all >>>> opportunity mark up. (Sure MIMO takes more processor power, more >>>> antennas, etc, but those things are likely obtainable cheaper today >>>> than their legacy components were when they were designed). >>>> >>>> I'd also argue that RF speed/price is similar to Computer CPU >>>> speed/ >> >>>> price concepts. 50 mbps today is equivelent in value to what 10mbps >>>> was to us 5 years ago. Therefore price points should not exceed the >>>> cost of 10mbps 5 years ago, for the WISP to get a break even on the >>>> new technology. >>>> This is >>>> from both the perspective of consumer's demand for higher speeds, as >>>> well as technology advancement. >>>> >>>> I'd pose the same arguements.... >>>> >>>> Ubiquiti AP $99. vs Moto AP $3500. Paying 35x more for an AP is a >>>> tough >>>> call. >>>> >>>> Dont get me wrong, I've always been in favor of higher cost AP, >> simply >>>> because it discourages putting them up unnecessarilly to create >> noise, >>>> before they are needed, and discourages harry high school kid from >>>> calling themselves a WISP with one paycheck from McDs. >>>> >>>> But I'd argued Moto would need to beat the current Canopy Advantage >>>> line AP cost in order to make a big splash in the market. >>>> >>>> Tom DeReggi >>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "3-dB Networks" <wi...@3-db.net> >>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:39 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear >>>> >>>> >>>>> Everytime I see that pricing it makes me cringe... since I've seen >>>>> Moto give pricing way before a product is actually set to release >>>>> and its way off the mark. I hope it's right for Moto sake :-) >>>>> >>>>> Daniel White >>>>> 3-dB Networks >>>>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >>>>> dan...@3-db.net >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- >>>>> boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 4:07 PM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear >>>>> >>>>> Soon as in q1 or q2 >>>>> >>>>> IIRC >>>>> $350~ SM >>>>> $3500~ AP >>>>> >>>>> Specs are in the website under 320 series >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my Motorola Startac... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 29, 2009, at 6:50 PM, "Tom DeReggi" >>>>> <wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> moto >>>>>> >>>>>> Did you mean they are comming out with soon? or did you really >>>>>> mean >> >>>>>> they are talking about comming out with? >>>>>> >>>>>> In WISP time, there is a big difference. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yeah, it would be cool if that was comming in the near future at >>>>>> current Canopy level price points. >>>>>> But that is an if. >>>>>> >>>>>> Tom DeReggi >>>>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Gino Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com> >>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>> Cc: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 5:05 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Less? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Moto is comming out with a 16e system with 4.5 bits per hz using >>>>>>> mimo >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my Motorola Startac... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 29, 2009, at 4:45 PM, "Patrick Leary" >> <ple...@apertonet.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Why is your basic criteria .16e with MIMO (or .16e at all)? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All .16e gets you in 3.65 GHz is much more (30% more) latency, >>>>>>>> less throughput per MHz, higher overhead and more cost. And you >>>>>>>> won't get any hope for interoperability, indoor modems, USB >>>>>>>> dongles or PC >> cards, >>>>>>>> since >>>>>>>> those are only applicable to licensed bands. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Patrick Leary >>>>>>>> Aperto Networks >>>>>>>> 813.426.4230 mobile >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- >>>>>>>> boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 11:22 AM >>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Wimax gear >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We are looking for some more wimax gear to test for the 3.65 >> band, >>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>> basic criteria would be 802.16e/mimo, we've tested Alvarion gear >>>>>>>> already. We are looking for something that will work in an urban >>>>>>>> environment with self install radios, can deliver voice and if >>>>>>>> possible with PPP/NAT/DHCP in the radio rather then as an >>>>>>>> external gateway device. 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