Now they dont fist fight, they pull out the guns and shoot ya! Are you saying things are better now?
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Chuck Bartosch <ch...@clarityconnect.com>wrote: > > On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:17 AM, Scottie Arnett wrote: > > > I am not going to go into the political side, but what this country needs > more than anything IMHO is the moral and ethical standards that were in this > country 50 to 60 years ago. > > Funny you should say that. > > I did some reading when I was a kid from books written from 1910 to 1935. > Admittedly, I was an odd kid to be fascinated by how people saw the world 40 > to 60 years earlier (this was the mid-to-late 1970's). The statements you're > making here were almost exactly what people were saying then about > generations that preceded them. > > Also, I spent a great deal of time talking to my grandfather (and later > some of his friends) about what life was like when he grew up (born in 1913) > and his experiences in the great depression (he worked in the CCC camps and > was a train-vagabound, traveling across the country). They spent a LOT of > time unemployed and just causing trouble or getting into trouble. Heavy > drinking was much more accepted then than now. > > There are some interesting things that HAVE changed a lot since then. > > People got into fist fights a heck of a lot more easily back then ;-). > > There was a much greater sense of belonging to a neighborhood then compared > to now. I see that as a loss but probably unavoidable. > > Moral and ethical standards have shifted some, but if anything, they are > higher now. For example, people thought nothing of calling blacks the > "n-word" and segregating them from whites. The definition of what is "white" > itself has greatly expanded. > > This has changed even since I was a kid. I remember when in the 1960's we > were moving from an all-catholic, white neighborhood, that we got obscene > phone calls and rocks through our windows when a black family made an offer > on our house (which we intended to accept until a neighbor topped their > offer by 10%) to keep the house 'white'). If you don't see this as a > dramatic, and important, shift in morals/ethics then I don't know what is. I > see this as strongly positive. > > The level of volunteerism amongst men seems to be a lot higher now than it > was then. Women being in the working world has decreased their > participation, but I would count that as a higher level of ethics among men > (because it represents a greater level of consciousness, not just a greater > amount of time) and neutral among women. I see this as strongly positive. > > Men 50 and 60 years ago thought nothing about bingeing with the guys Friday > nights (or every night). Abuse of drugs (including alcohol) has waxed and > wained over time but is certainly lower now than it was 40 years ago, for > example. Though I'm sure that still happens, it's really not considered > normal any more. I see this as a strong change in morals/ethics. > > I'd honestly hate to see a world that reverted to the morals and ethics of > 50 to 60 years ago. Maybe people worked harder (but I doubt it-EVERYONE I > know words hard now, even with all the other things that compete for our > attention) but as a society, discrimination was rampant, there wasn't nearly > so many opportunities for upward mobility, men and women weren't treated > nearly as equally, etc. We're not in such a bad place now. > > Chuck > > > > > Scottie > > > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > > From: "Brad Belton" <b...@belwave.com> > > Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> > > Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:10:05 -0600 > > > >> Thank you Jeff. You beat me to it! > >> > >> Best, > >> > >> > >> Brad > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > >> Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick > >> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:05 AM > >> To: 'WISPA General List' > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in > regulationof > >> net-neutrality > >> > >> That's just not accurate Tom. The Community Reinvestment Act required > >> lenders to do a lot of this stuff and then Fannie and Freddie created > the > >> market for the paper. > >> > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Jeff > >> > >> > >> Jeff Broadwick > >> ImageStream > >> 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) > >> +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > >> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi > >> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:19 AM > >> To: WISPA General List > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in > regulationof > >> net-neutrality > >> > >> Brad, > >> > >>> People are losing their homes.many of which never should have been > >>> afforded the privilege of home ownership if it were not for big > >>> government forcing lenders to lend to unqualified buyers. > >> > >> You had me, until the above paragraph. That is a crock of ShXX. > >> > >> Most housing foreclosures are conscious business decissions by the > middle > >> class, to improve their finance and cash flow. They ask, Is it worth > >> continuing to sink money into this bad investment losing money? I will > say > >> that there are a shortage of buyer. So when an investor cant offload > their > >> losing investment (House) to someone else, they resort to less ethical > >> choices. > >> What does someone do if their house jsut lost 50k in value? IF they go > to > >> foreclosure, they can pretty much live rent free for a year in their > home, > >> before they are forced out. If they put their rent check in hidden > savings > >> instead, they earn 50k that year. That combined with gettting out of a > loan > >> taht is valued at mor ethan the house, it is a net $100k earning, for > doing > >> nothing. They learn they can earn more losing their home than some > people do > >> holding on to their home as an investment to resale. > >> > >> And governments were not the ones forcing lenders to lend. Its the > >> opposite.... Government regulation is unnecessarilly setting regulations > to > >> make buying harder for consumers, to address a problem that didn't > exist. > >> > >> Some People loose homes because.... a home is a 30 year commitment, and > its > >> hard for anyone to predict how one's life will pan out every year for 30 > >> years. All it takes is one bad year, and there goes the house. People > loose > >> houses because they loose jobs. People loose houses because most > personal > >> debt is secured by their house, and loosing the house is the easiest way > to > >> get rid of the other debt. People lose houses because they cant live > within > >> their mean in other areas of their life. Or because they set their > sights to > >> high. But the biggest reason people default, is because they develop a > sense > >> of satisfaction or entitlement in screwing their lender when they feel > they > >> were taken advantage of by their lendor. Even with Bankruptcy, there are > >> some interesing stats, for example, almost all people that go bankrupt > >> religiously paid their bills the many years prior to, and that they had > an > >> average interest increase of 80-100% the year they filed. The borrower > >> could have paid and wanted to pay, but whenthey felt there was no way > out of > >> getting screwed by the lender, they make a business decission. > >> > >> Part of the problem was dishonest overstated appraisals, and greedy > lenders > >> approving loans at values higher than the homes should be worth. Sure > there > >> is a percentage of foreclosure that are legitimate cases where the > homeowner > >> can no longer afford to pay their mortgage. But many are conscience > business > >> decissions on their investment. Why do you think Obama decided to help > >> Middle class save their homes, while they let the most needy loose their > >> homes? A Interest rate savings canbe justified as a clear business > decission > >> that might influence the middle class home owner to want to keep their > home, > >> instead of purposely defaulting. > >> > >> I will agree that the Government is not taking the right approach to > solve > >> the problems. But they surely are not the cause of the problem. > Assisting > >> Americans into HomeOwnership is one of the largest success stories for > >> America. And government assistance (such as FHA loan) was one of the > answers > >> to when the private sector was not willing to solve the problem on their > >> own. > >> > >> > >> Tom DeReggi > >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > >> > >>>> Brad Belton wrote: > >>>> Jack, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Your police analogy is flawed. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> While it may take a larger police force to serve and insure the > >>>> safety of a larger population it does not take a larger government > >>>> body with increased invasion of those people's lives to govern > >>>> effectively. A larger population requires no more or fewer laws than > >>>> a small population as the laws are applied to all regardless of the > >>>> size of population. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Agreed, the more people that "give up" and begin to simply depend on > >>>> the government to provide for them the worse our country (or any > >>>> country) becomes. This is exactly what big government wants; the > >>>> people to become more dependent on them. The more dependent the > >>>> people become on big government the more power they have over your > >>>> life and the fewer freedoms you enjoy. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Why is it that so many small businesses exist? They exist partly > >>>> because they can provide a better service/price than the "big guys". > >>>> Wireless providers (other than those looking for a handout to keep > >>>> their doors > >>>> open) > >>>> exist because the ILECs created an opportunity that we identified and > >>>> acted upon. Capitalism and the market works well as long as big > >>>> government stays out of it. I don't know about the rest here, but > >>>> the more the big Telco's charge the better my business does! > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> What does America have to show for all the ridiculous recent spending? > >>>> GM > >>>> is still losing Billions of dollars, the big banks that were forced > >>>> to take TARP haven't changed and many have repaid TARP to get the > >>>> government out of their business. Is it such a bad thing to own and > >>>> operate a small business with no long term debt? Sure, it makes > >>>> getting the company off the ground that much harder, but it also > >>>> creates a personal investment and commitment by the proprietor beyond > >>>> any cash infusion. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Unemployment is nearing record highs as those (evil guys) that employ > >>>> people weather the storm of uncertainty. People are losing their > >>>> homes.many of which never should have been afforded the privilege of > >>>> home ownership if it were not for big government forcing lenders to > >>>> lend to unqualified buyers. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I can go on, but I get the feeling none of this makes any sense to > >>>> you, Jack. That's fine with me.there are those that do and those > >>>> that.I don't know.just coast along I guess? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Best, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Brad > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > >>>> On Behalf Of Jack Unger > >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 7:55 PM > >>>> To: WISPA General List > >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in > >>>> regulation of net-neutrality > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Brad, > >>>> > >>>> You are misunderstanding or ignoring what I've been saying so let's > >>>> try it again. > >>>> > >>>> When you have more people crowded into the same space your are going > >>>> to have more frequent and more complex problems, including more > >>>> fighting over the available amount of resources. Like it or not, > >>>> attempting to maintain order is expected of government, be it large > >>>> or small government. A two-person police force is expected to be able > >>>> to maintain order in a tiny community and a 10,000 person police > >>>> force is expected to be able to maintain order in a large city. A > >>>> two-person (small government) police force will not be able to > >>>> maintain order in New York or Los Angeles. "Socialism" (however that > >>>> is defined or mis-defined) has nothing to do with this basic > >>>> dynamic. > >>>> > >>>> America was built by hard-working people who thrived within the > >>>> limited government framework that the founding fathers provided. > >>>> Unfortunately today, 99% of the working people have lost or given up > >>>> their power to govern their own lives. That power now resides in the > >>>> hands of large corporations (banks, factory farms, seed companies, > >>>> meat processors, insurance companies, news networks, incumbent > >>>> telecom companies, etc.). Government has unfortunately become > >>>> complicit in this dynamic. Today, big money corporations control > >>>> government by "buying off" politicians through large campaign > >>>> contributions. It doesn't matter if the politicians are Democrats or > >>>> Republicans. Our big-money political system has corrupted virtually > >>>> all of them. Until we fix our broken political system by removing > >>>> the corrupting effect of big money, none of us will regain the > >>>> freedoms that were fought for and won by our ancestors. > >>>> > >>>> jack > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Brad Belton wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Jack, > >>>> > >>>> I completely disagree with the notion that America has to become > >>>> smaller to have a smaller less invasive government! It is a > >>>> socialist mentality to think that only government can grow America or > >>>> help Americans. > >>>> > >>>> America achieved its success by people utilizing their abilities to > >>>> better themselves and their lives free of an overly burdening > >>>> government. > >>>> America > >>>> was not built by grants, entitlements or anything big government can > >>>> possibly provide. Instead our constitution provides a framework > >>>> outlining government limitations, so as to prevent government to ever > >>>> be able to control the people it governs. The people of the republic > >>>> govern not the other way around. > >>>> > >>>> Countless Americans have given their lives to protect the very > >>>> freedom big government takes away. Government run health care just > >>>> happens to be the straw that broke the camel's back and Americans are > >>>> saying enough is enough in overwhelming numbers. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Brad > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > >>>> On Behalf Of Jack Unger > >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:48 PM > >>>> To: WISPA General List > >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in > >>>> regulation of net-neutrality > >>>> > >>>> Brad, > >>>> > >>>> There is really only one way to get a smaller government without > >>>> throwing society into total disarray. That method is to have a > >>>> smaller country, in other words, a lower level of population. With an > >>>> exploding population there is just no way that I can see to get a > >>>> smaller government. > >>>> > >>>> If only reclaiming our country for working people was as easy as > >>>> voting the incumbents out that would be GREAT but unfortunately it's > >>>> not that simple. Voting the incumbents out won't result in government > >>>> doing a better job for working people because the real influence is > >>>> the big-corporation money that finances the election campaigns for > >>>> each new crop of political nominees. The big-money lobbyists remain > >>>> when each old group of politicians is voted out so the big-money > >>>> corporation's power actually becomes greater and greater as time goes > on. > >>>> > >>>> The solution that I propose is equal public financing for ALL > >>>> political campaigns. Each nominee (and incumbent) would receive an > >>>> equal number of taxpayer dollars to run their campaign. This will > >>>> help ALL candidates remember who they are supposed to be working for > >>>> (working-class taxpayers, not large corporations). > >>>> > >>>> As to regaining some influence for working people with regard to > >>>> banks, I'd recommend that everyone put their money in a local credit > >>>> union or small local community bank. My money has been kept in a > >>>> local community credit union for over 20 years and I feel good about > it > >> being there. > >>>> It's contributing to the community instead of being used in an > >>>> irresponsible fashion and/or used against the best interests of the > >>>> community. > >>>> > >>>> Best, > >>>> jack > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Brad Belton wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> The fundamental difference that Jack fails to recognize is if a bank > >>>> (or organization other than the government) does treat you unfairly > >>>> you have recourse. If your own government treats you unfairly, you > >>>> have little to > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> no > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> recourse. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Yes, we can all only hope the majority of Americans will continue to > >>>> stand up and say no more to big government. A smaller less intrusive > >>>> government is what America needs. In order to achieve this we have > >>>> to remove the career politicians from office that have clearly lost > >>>> touch with the > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> people > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> that elected them. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Brad > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > >>>> On Behalf Of Jack Unger > >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:01 PM > >>>> To: WISPA General List > >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in > >>>> regulation > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> of > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> net-neutrality > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> So, now that government has been drowned, the huge banks, insurance > >>>> companies, telecoms can do whatever they want to you whenever they > >>>> want to do it. > >>>> > >>>> BWaaaah, haaa, haaaa, haaa, haaaaggggh.... > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Frank Crawford wrote: > >>>> > >>>> YES > >>>> > >>>> Jack Unger wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I trust that government will be able to keep up just fine. Do you > >>>> support the alternative of making government so small that you can > >>>> drown it in a bathtub? > >>>> > >>>> Glenn Kelley wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Title II of the Communications Act-the section that regulates > >>>> telecommunications common carriers is now being considered by the FCC > >>>> to oversee broadband. FCC Commissioner Robert M. McDowell during a > >>>> talk he gave to the Free State Foundation asked: (see First Do No > >>>> Harm: A > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> broadband > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> plan for Amercia) > >>>> "Exactly what kind of companies might get tangled up into this > >>>> regulatory Rubik's Cube?.Any Internet company that offers a voice > >> application?" . > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> "With > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> this newfound authority, why stop at voice apps? Isn't voice just > >>>> another type of data app? 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