Go to DC and fix things, Mark... Just stop whining and bitching on lists that I'm on that have nothing to do with your ACTUAL rant. I know you're on anti-government lists. You MUST be.
I know you like to hear yourself be clever and smart, hence the small books you write to us. But I don't want to hear it. Regardless of WHAT I think about government. And don't assume that you know me, either...anything about me... Take your frustrations out on someone else who likes you. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 1702 W. 2nd Ave Suite A Eugene, OR 97402 541-998-5555 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Belton" <b...@belwave.com> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Was Pigs fly, now "company man" > LOL...too funny! That's a keeper! > > Best, > > > Brad > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Robert West > Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 12:45 AM > To: Tom Sharples; WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Was Pigs fly, now "company man" > > Out of all the things I've seen on this list, that last line was a total > winner. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Sharples" <tsharp...@qorvus.com> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 1:38 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Was Pigs fly, now "company man" > > >>A friend just forwarded this to me: >> >> Over five thousand years ago, Moses said to the children of Israel, "pick >> up >> your shovel, mount your asses and camels, and I will lead you to the >> promised land." >> >> Nearly 75 years agao, Roosevelt said, "Lay down your shovel, sit on your >> asses, and light up a camel, this is the promised land." >> >> Now, our Congress has stolen your shovel, taxed our asses, raised the >> price >> of camels, and mortgaged the promised land! >> >> Furthermore, I was so depressed last night thinking about Health Care >> Plans, >> the economy, the wars, lost jobs, savings, Social Security, retirement >> funds, etc. I called Lifeline, the suicide help line. Got a call center >> in >> Pakistan. I told them I was suicidal. >> >> They all got excited and asked me if I could drive a truck. >> >> Tom S. >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "RickG" <rgunder...@gmail.com> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Was Pigs fly, now "company man" >> >> >>>I think he's trying to feed us ;) >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Jack Unger <jun...@ask-wi.com> wrote: >>>> Please don't feed the MDK troll. >>>> >>>> MDK wrote: >>>> >>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy >>>> 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 >>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "Mark Nash - Lists" <markl...@uwol.net> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 1:38 PM >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Free enterprise,sure, when pigs fly >>>> >>>> >>>> Give the facts, give the opinion, leave the radical commentary for the >>>> other >>>> lists for people who share your views and want to hear it. >>>> >>>> >>>> Company Man. >>>> It's a term used at times to describe someone who is engaged by the top >>>> management to work among the producers, to make sure that nobody >>>> rebelled, >>>> everyone followed policy, and to give management notice if anyone >>>> tended >>>> to >>>> be outspoken or lead complaining about things ythat were wrong. Their >>>> job >>>> was to help squelch or otherwise shut down disagreement with the top >>>> brass. >>>> Often spies for management, to find out who to get rid of. Generally >>>> a >>>> derogative term. Used deliberately by me. >>>> Let's imagine, if you will, that instead of being a nation, we're just >>>> a >>>> big >>>> company. After all, the job of politics is little more than to force >>>> people to behave certain ways, spend the money they earn for what the >>>> top >>>> brass want. >>>> Today, almost 3 of every 10 dollars of income is spent by the >>>> administrations. That is, management consumes, without investing a >>>> penny >>>> in productivity, almost 1/3 of all the company revenues. This year, >>>> the >>>> company will spend almost twice what it takes in in revenues. The >>>> rest >>>> will be borrowed in the name of the employees. Every management >>>> function >>>> of the central office is duplicated by the state offices. They do not >>>> agree on the rule in the books that you must follow. Almost every >>>> management function of the state administration is duplicated at the >>>> central >>>> office, as well. Again, the rules are not the same. And in spite >>>> of >>>> all >>>> that spending, NOTHING IS INVESTED IN IMPROVING PRODUCTIVITY. Nor >>>> has >>>> it >>>> been in at least a couple decades. >>>> Despite the fact that nobody in the "main office" produces anything, >>>> has >>>> any >>>> idea how to do anything the company does, and the hiring policy >>>> requires >>>> neither experience nor knowledge of what is produced, the main office >>>> has >>>> produced so many rules about how to run it, that their office building >>>> that >>>> houses JUST THE PRINTOUTS was in danger of collapsing under the weight. >>>> And that's just the paperwork about former employee medical benefits. >>>> ( >>>> google for story of VA offices threatened by the sheer weight of case >>>> files >>>> backlogged) >>>> The main office spends about 1 of every 3 dollars that the company >>>> takes >>>> in, >>>> and it controls additionally about 2 of every 10 dollars the company >>>> brings >>>> in, but it does so simply by requiring others to spend it - none of >>>> which >>>> is >>>> invested in productivity - almost all is spent to PREVENT productivity. >>>> In addition to that, the main office confiscates 17% of every >>>> employee's >>>> paycheck to spend, and promises that when you retire, it'll pay it back >>>> to >>>> you... in payments - if you live long enough. Further, it takes >>>> anywhere >>>> from 0 to 40% of everything you have left after that in your paycheck, >>>> to >>>> spend for you. With this confiscated money it will do such valuable >>>> things as buy viagra for people in jail for committing sexual offenses >>>> and >>>> study why wolves eat sheep. >>>> The main office determines, by vote, which groups of people it takes >>>> what >>>> percentage from. It has figured out that so long as at least half of >>>> the >>>> employees don't get money confiscated, the majority will be happy with >>>> benefits it gives away, having taken it from the minority of employees. >>>> The company is not well off, having accumulated debt and IOU statements >>>> amounting to approximately a quarter million dollars per person, for >>>> each >>>> family represented by an employee. The families ARE responsible for >>>> future >>>> repayment of this debt, and the main office continues to borrow and >>>> write >>>> IOU's amounting to 10's of thousands of dollars per family member each >>>> year. >>>> But, they promise, that it won't be anyone complaining who'll have to >>>> pay >>>> the debt back, they'll take it from "someone else". >>>> By the time you add up all the people who are hired in the main office, >>>> and >>>> all the other offices, plus the various contracted out services they >>>> hire, >>>> there are approximately 2 people who are management or hired by >>>> management >>>> to do stuff for management, out of every 5 people in the company. >>>> To summarize, this company has indebted every employee's family member >>>> by >>>> at least 1/4 of a million dollars. The average wage earned by an >>>> employee >>>> not in management is about 40,000. Those in management average almost >>>> double that. Yet, nobody in management is liable for a single dollar >>>> of >>>> company debt, their retirement and retirement benefits are fully >>>> secured >>>> and >>>> paid for. The employees on the other hand, are simply given company >>>> IOU's >>>> equal to less than minimum wage as a retirement plan, and the company >>>> has >>>> plans to confiscate all the employee's own retirement savings and >>>> replace >>>> it >>>> with more IOU's. Anyone who is paid by the piece is fined for excess >>>> production, overtime is fined, even excess contributions to your own >>>> retirement are fined, with the main office collecting all the fines. >>>> The >>>> company just took over all the decisions about health care, and have >>>> started >>>> the process to confiscate approximately 30% of the average take-home >>>> pay >>>> to >>>> go to the central office. In return, they promise you'll get whatever >>>> you >>>> need whenver you need it. Unless the company can't pay for it, of >>>> course. >>>> But, that'll never happen, of course. Or, so they promise. It >>>> sparked >>>> outrage, so they promised to take the money from only 30% of the >>>> employees, >>>> to give to the other 70. So long as a majority don't complain to >>>> loud, >>>> the polls the company takes will show great satisfaction. >>>> Now, each time one of the employees complains that this company is >>>> poorly >>>> run, is astonishingly incompetently managed, or otherwise comments what >>>> we >>>> ALL know is dead on true about the gross incompetence and generalized >>>> corruption that permeates the company, along come the "company men" to >>>> shush >>>> us up, threaten us with social stigmatism, or even some harsh physical >>>> or >>>> other vengeance. >>>> The company, mind you, has a charter. A contract, built into the >>>> bylaws, >>>> that govern what the main office does, what it can do, what it can't >>>> do, >>>> and >>>> it established the company on the notion that the company would provide >>>> direction, protection, and little else, and that the employees would >>>> and >>>> could profit from their own initiative. Heck, the main office was to >>>> be >>>> so >>>> small it was to be funded merely by a slight markup on products sold to >>>> other companies. The employees were to keep everything they earned, >>>> except >>>> for what they themselves voted on to fund the state, regional and local >>>> offices. And, the decisions about investment in productivity were >>>> made >>>> directly by the employees themselves. For nearly 200 years the >>>> company, >>>> and it's employees flourished and advanced at a rate that astounded the >>>> entire world. And then, during some hard times, some guys threw away >>>> the >>>> rulebook. Now it's all but bankrupt, the employees themselves are >>>> also >>>> bankrupt from the debt the company has obligated them to, including the >>>> IOU's that, again, are drawn and written on the personal fortunes of >>>> the >>>> present and future employees. Welcome to 2010. >>>> As I read your commentary directed toward me, I realized that I was >>>> supposed >>>> to be intimidated, and that I was supposed to feel shamed by your >>>> superior >>>> intellect and your "reasonable" positions. Oh, no. Hell NO! Not >>>> only >>>> am I NOT radical in the slightest, I'm merely pointing out the most >>>> simplistic, obvious, and most fundamental of the gross idiocy that's >>>> come >>>> to >>>> be. You're a great "company man". You definitely have sold your >>>> soul >>>> to parrot the company line. But hell, not a business man with two >>>> working >>>> brain cells is left who could be convinced that what you're defending >>>> is >>>> anything but colossal stupidity. I'm not radical, I'm just simply >>>> sensible. I'm sorry you are so threatened by truth, by something that >>>> withstands the test of time and every intellectual measure of truth. >>>> We were left with a charter, with founding documents, and a set of laws >>>> that >>>> describe how the place (country) is supposed to work. And, they >>>> followed >>>> those rules well for a long time and we have been incomprehensibly >>>> blessed, >>>> as has the whole world, by the fact that we did follow the rules. >>>> They >>>> are >>>> wise, they are prudent, they are very, very well drafted. They >>>> delegate >>>> responsibility to the individual for almost everything, and very, very >>>> little to the federal government. And, when we have deviated from >>>> them, >>>> we have the obvious and apparent results. So, suggesting we back to >>>> how >>>> things are SUPPOSED to be is "radical"? I think not. Defending how >>>> things are would be "radical". But, more accurately, utterly and >>>> hopelessly wrong or stupid. As, I have come to believe, ARE YOU, >>>> company >>>> man. Get lost. This nation needs no more of the corruption, >>>> stupidity, >>>> and gross incompetence that got us by pretending that those in DC were >>>> wise >>>> and inerrant. They weren't. And now we're all paying the damn >>>> price. >>>> Between the legal debts and the contractual obligations signed on our >>>> behalf, this nation has currently 74 TRILLION DOLLARS in obligations. >>>> That's the debt, the "social contract" spending like Medicare and >>>> Medicaid >>>> and Social Security (none of which is funded, it's all just IOU's), and >>>> all >>>> other legal obligations combined. After Obamacare ends private >>>> medical >>>> care by bankrupting the insurers and most providers, then that figure >>>> will >>>> likely go up by 50 to 100% overnight. >>>> As businessman, I find it utterly incomprehensible that anyone in >>>> business >>>> would defend the monstrosity we have created for ourselves. It's >>>> time >>>> to >>>> undo it. And to send the "company men" packing off to the land of >>>> irrelevance, on display in the Museum of Really Bad Ideas. Sure, >>>> there >>>> is >>>> no social club of "supporters" of such dull and boring advocacy. It >>>> would seem that even the dullest of the dull, this great experiment in >>>> the >>>> exercise of unrestrained power has been an epic disaster. Why, then >>>> are >>>> so many of you utterly afraid to open your mouth, to stand on >>>> principle? >>>> Why are the members of WISPA trembling in fear of the notion of having >>>> WISPA >>>> go to DC and say "Hey, you're way overgrown here, you need to get back >>>> to >>>> your proper boundaries of being a PRUDENT STEWARD, not an auctioneer of >>>> public assets to to the highest bidder!"? Is it because the wording >>>> is >>>> old >>>> fashioned, or the notion not "hip"? >>>> Or is it that you're so desperate for a few crumbs from the master's >>>> table, >>>> you''re willing to perpetuate the charade that they're the master and >>>> we're >>>> the servants, instead of being the other way around, which is THE >>>> CONTRACT >>>> WE HAVE WITH THEM???? Or is it that you've just grown comfortable >>>> with >>>> the way things are? Well, a currency collapse will definitely put >>>> the >>>> lie >>>> to that little bit of self delusion. Welcome to reality. Are we >>>> going >>>> to be responsible, or are we just going to continue letting the >>>> children >>>> play with the credit cards to the family fortune? >>>> >>>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- >>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- >>>> >>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. >>>> Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing >>>> Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities >>>> since >>>> 1993 >>>> www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- >>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- >>>> >>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>> >>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>> >>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- >> >> >> >> Internal Virus Database is out of date. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2675 - Release Date: 02/08/10 >> 07:35:00 >> >> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
