Ok. The truth sucks. Another government burden on joe business. What a PITA Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message----- From: Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 11:02:42 To: WISPA General List<wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules] I agree completely. WISPA is an association for Wireless ISPs. Billing is a pretty big factor in a WISP. The name behind the list is "General" so I feel it is completely on topic. I would ask that we don't bounce back and forth saying this is or is not the case. Find the truth, the facts, then share. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:56 AM, RickG <rgunder...@gmail.com> wrote: > "little to do with wireless". -Jack > > Many topics on this list become subjective as to their relevance to > "wireless". For example, other forms of access such as cable, dsl, > satellite, etc. Politics that affect our businesses are indeed > relevant even more so. If you dont believe it, then why have a team go > to DC? My point it, Mark's input has been very valuable to me as a > WISP and I suspect many others. Like many things in life, politics can > be an controversial subject and many will disagree with the viewpoint. > Heck, I disagree with many statements on this list as well. But, that > doesnt mean it should not be discussed, rather it should be embraced. > If you dont agree, say so and why. If you want to stick your head in > the sand, hit delete or filter it. Either way, please dont kill the > messenger. They may be doing you a favor whether you think so or not. > Just my .02 > -RickG > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Rick Harnish <rharn...@wispa.org> wrote: > > Stuart, > > > > I realize that. That is one reason why I only posted the rules of the > list > > and did not take any action. Until we receive a ruling from a CPA then > > disputing what Mark has posted is only hearsay. I have sent the article > to > > the WISPA accountant for further opinions. I do think it is a valid > > discussion item and eagerly anticipate the accountants findings. > > > > I did want to remind the users of this list the rules though. I have > seen > > things get out of hand in the past. This is an open list and anyone can > > join and it is publicly archived as well. We do want to maintain a > > professional decorum since it does have the WISPA name on it. If we > can't > > control proper etiquette on this list, we may need to discontinue this > list, > > which is not something we wish to do. > > > > Respectfully, > > > > Rick Harnish > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > >> Behalf Of Stuart Pierce > >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 8:45 AM > >> To: WISPA General List > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: You're going to love this... New IRS rules] > >> > >> Doesn't seem to be a rule against this type of posting and to me it > >> does have information on running a WISP, however it pertains to any > >> business. > >> > >> Whatever happened to the federal "mandate" or so about no tax on > >> internet access that they extended back in November 2008 ? > >> > >> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > >> From: "Rick Harnish" <rharn...@onlyinternet.net> > >> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> > >> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 04:42:49 -0400 > >> > >> >The following are rules of the Wireless@wispa.org list. Please follow > >> the > >> >directions and keep political innuendos for more appropriate venues. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >1) Always be civil and professional. (Violations: One Warning > >> then One > >> >Week Suspension from All WISPA Lists) > >> >2) No rude comments. (Violations: One Week Suspension from All WISPA > >> Lists) > >> >3) No cussing. (Violations: One Week Suspension from All WISPA Lists) > >> >4) No personal attacks or complaining on the list. (Violations: One > >> Week > >> >Suspension from All WISPA Lists) > >> >5) No selling or self promotion allowed. (Violations: One Warning then > >> an > >> >Invoice for minimum $150 ad will be generated) > >> >6) Commercial advertisements of any kind require prior board approval. > >> (Send > >> >requests to http://contact.wispa.org/) > >> >7) Issues regarding operation of the list or problems with list > >> members are > >> >to be directed to http://contact.wispa.org/ > >> >8) Read and adhere to the WISPA Code of Ethics found at > >> >http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=3 > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >Code of Ethics > >> > > >> >The objective of the Code of Ethics is to maintain and enforce the > >> highest > >> >standards of ethical professional practices that will make membership > >> in the > >> >Wireless Internet Service Providers Association a recognized mark of > >> >experience, stability, integrity and competence. > >> > > >> >ARTICLE I > >> >Members will regard as confidential all information concerning the > >> business > >> >and affairs of clients with whom we are dealing in our professional > >> >relationships. > >> > > >> >ARTICLE II > >> > > >> >We will conduct ourselves in such a manner as to bring credit to our > >> >industry and enhance its reputation. Accordingly, WISPA encourages all > >> >wireless operators to comply with all applicable FCC rules and > >> regulations, > >> >including using only FCC-certified wireless equipment, filing FCC Form > >> 477, > >> >and abiding by the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement > >> (CALEA) > >> >requirements. WISPA encourages all wireless operators who are not > >> fully > >> >compliant to work to come into compliance as soon as it is possible > >> for them > >> >to do so. > >> > > >> >ARTICLE III > >> > > >> >We will publicize our services in a professional manner upholding the > >> >dignity of our profession. We will avoid all conduct, practices and > >> >promotion likely to discredit or do injury to our field of endeavor. > >> > > >> >ARTICLE IV > >> > > >> >We will strive to broaden public understanding and enhance public > >> regard and > >> >confidence in our Industry. > >> > > >> >ARTICLE V > >> > > >> >In keeping with this dedication to principle, the members of the > >> Association > >> >have further pledged to: > >> > > >> >a) Follow through and complete any agreement made verbally or > >> otherwise to > >> >either another member of the Association or to any client or > >> prospective > >> >client. > >> > > >> >b) Deal fairly with the public and with fellow professionals, giving > >> due > >> >respect to the rights and legitimate interests of others. > >> > > >> >c) Respect the rights of the owners of intellectual properties. > >> > > >> >d) Not knowingly disseminate false or misleading information and shall > >> act > >> >promptly to correct erroneous communications for which they are > >> responsible. > >> > > >> >e) Use proper diligence to ensure that all materials on their networks > >> are > >> >restricted in accordance with applicable laws, regulations and the > >> tenets of > >> >reasonable precaution. > >> > > >> >f) Not disparage other members by statement or innuendo to clients or > >> >prospective clients. > >> > > >> >g) Respond to any complaint or violations filed with the Association > >> and > >> >participate in all processes and procedures of the Association with > >> respect > >> >to that complaint. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >From: Jack Unger [mailto:jun...@ask-wi.com] > >> >Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:07 PM > >> >To: Rick Harnish > >> >Subject: [Fwd: [WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules] > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >Rick, > >> > > >> >Is it appropriate to ban Mr. Mark Koskenmaki from our "general" > >> wireless > >> >list. He seems to habitually troll that listserv planting provocative > >> >political posts that have little to do with wireless? > >> > > >> >What is our policy? > >> > > >> >jack > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >-------- Original Message -------- > >> > > >> > > >> >Subject: > >> > > >> >[WISPA] You're going to love this... New IRS rules > >> > > >> > > >> >Date: > >> > > >> >Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:40:21 -0700 > >> > > >> > > >> >From: > >> > > >> >MDK <mailto:rea...@muddyfrogwater.us> <rea...@muddyfrogwater.us> > >> > > >> > > >> >Reply-To: > >> > > >> >WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> <wireless@wispa.org> > >> > > >> > > >> >To: > >> > > >> >WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> <wireless@wispa.org> > >> > > >> > > >> >References: > >> > > >> > > >> <mailto:w2za66403611004280947x9079f8c4v789a36e7513e9...@mail.gmail.com> > >> ><w2za66403611004280947x9079f8c4v789a36e7513e9...@mail.gmail.com> > >> ><mailto:20100428173336.11249d152...@junkmail.mvn.net> > >> ><20100428173336.11249d152...@junkmail.mvn.net> > >> ><mailto:k2xa66403611004281255i1e7860f6ocbc379e5fed05...@mail.gmail.com > >> > > >> ><k2xa66403611004281255i1e7860f6ocbc379e5fed05...@mail.gmail.com> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2010/04/26/costly-irs-mandate-slipped- > >> into-he > >> >alth-bill/ > >> > > >> >It requires 1099's for EVERY entity you do more than $600 business > >> with a > >> >year. > >> > > >> >Gas station. Walmart, your landlord, a $700 used car or truck. > >> Ebay > >> >purchases, ALL require 1099's now if you go over $600 a year. > >> > > >> >That's almost enough for me to throw up my hands and say "I quit". > >> > > >> >Frankly, we should all just quit. For a week. Or a month. Call > >> up the > >> > > >> >White House and say "you want it so bad, well now you got it, we > >> quit". > >> >When about 50 million of us do that, perhaps the administration will > >> realize > >> > > >> >it should consult someone besides insane marxists as it concerns > >> business > >> >and economics. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> >Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy > >> >541-969-8200 509-386-4589 > >> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> ------ > >> >---- > >> >WISPA Wants You! 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