MDK,

I applaud your Email.  It will take some time to fully digest all the 
relevent points that were addressed.
I dont agree with everything that you suggested, but I do agree with a 
signfiicant part of it.
One realization that you brought up which I agree with is regarding that we 
will reach a time where a line will need to be drawn in the sand, and we'll 
need to know which side of the line we are going to be standing on. On some 
of these topics, playing both sides simply isn't going to be possible.

I have a couple quick comments....

1) Anything posted on the general list will be google indexed for the world 
to see. Including the apposing side.
In my opinion, it is not wise to debate WISPA's strategy to combat these 
important issue, in that environment.
For that reason, I have been disccussing NBP and TItleII reclassification 
topics on the member list which is only available to wispa members to read.
Its also important that WISPA represent's WISPA member. When debating on an 
open list, its really hard for me to decipher which comments are comming 
from members and which are not. For example, a Verizon lobbiest could be 
masking themselves as a WISP, and I'd never know.
I'd also like to re-engage legislative committee list, to start formulating 
a plan, so members list does not get saturated with policy posts. I welcome 
members to join legislative committe who are interested in debating this. 
The more members that join the committee, the bigger the change the 
conclusion will be a reflection of member's opinion.

2) I think much debate is needed regarding strategy for these important 
topics. I think its to early to ask members to vote on what our stance 
should be. Because there has been little debate to challenge potential 
stances, and many members may not yet be fully versed with all the facts, so 
some may make an uninformed decission, that could have results different 
than what they expected by taking their stance.

3) Stategy is needed. Its easy to come up with what we want. The hard part 
is to justify and convince policy makers to give us that. And what we want 
may not be realistic to achieve. This is serious business, we dont want to 
pick a stance that will leave us with nothing at all at the end, because we 
didn;t face realitiy. We cant forget that FCC and Congress also already have 
an idea of what they want.   There are many complicated issues here. Its not 
that I dont want to poll members, I am very interested in what they have to 
say and think. But there is also a huge advantage to creating a think tank 
environment first, challenged by council, and to share results with 
memebrship for them to consider before deciding their position..

For example, Congress and FCC have an obligation to help consumers, and 
consumers want their broadband options improved. To help, money is needed. 
USF has been identified as a money source, by the FCC and Congress. Its very 
unlikely they'll vote to wipe out a money source that actively regenerates 
funds. Its so much more likely they'll try to repurpose those funds, to 
solve a problem. Sure we can fight to shutdown USF, many of us would prefer 
that, but the flip side is if USF is not shut down, and we do not lobby for 
how to best repurpose it, it will be guaranteed that fund will go to or 
competitors in mass proportions, and we will get harmed by that, I'd argue 
possibly even extinguished by that.  Another example was BTOP Round2. In 
Round2, much funds will go for inter- networking government locations. In 
one sense its an outrage that huge amounts of money will go to build 
networks that may not be needed, and take revenue away from the price sector 
providers. And few WISPs will see a dime of it. But on the flip side it was 
possibly a victory. What it also meant was that WISP's last mile networks 
will be less likely to get overbuilt. Last mile monoploies will be less 
likely to get created. And the most Rural areas were targeted, so less 
chance of a WISP's prime subscriber base market being over built. OR for 
example, many can argue money was most needed for Last mile, but lobbying 
for that had more risk, if the chances were moeny would just be spent to 
build a monopoly to put the rest of us out of business, since we are last 
mile provider?  What I'm trying to say is everything is a double edge sword 
in this business.  You hit on a good point with USF. Terminating USF and not 
allowing it to go for broadband would be the least riskful thing for WISPs, 
and a small price to pay to not be eligible for funds. But, is that 
realistic? That Congress and FCC will turn away a $20billion dollar fund? 
That $20billion will gain a lot of votes, and it wont result in increasing 
taxes, since its paid for by the greedy (public distorted perception,  not 
mine) Telcos, right?  We need a well thought out strategy.

I think that USF reform is a huge part of the desire to reclassify broadband 
as TItleII, and probably the bigest topic that has the potential to devide 
membership.  For sure, I think it is impairative that we learn the 
percentage of members that are ILECs and USF recipients.  We need to know 
that, before we can consider a stance.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MDK" <rea...@muddyfrogwater.us>
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] How the FCC Proposes the Regulate Broadband


> As I write, is it 1:40 AM, I'm tired as heck, but have been mulling this
> question for days, and have finally taken the time to do this.   First, to
> my self-motivated "enemies" who can't stand anything I say "Nuts!", I'm
> right and I know it.   Now, for the rest, who are interested in more than
> just shallow mockery,  here's serious conversation on serious topics, and
> the excuse to dismiss me for those who can't bring themselves to be 
> serious.
>
> Some comments on the strategy for opposing FCC intervention.
>
> As is highlighted below - and has been discussed at considerable length in
> other venues...   The NBP, the regulation of internet services, and "net
> neutrality" all hinge upon a couple of rather firm anchors.   As we know,
> the FCC lost in the courts when it attempted to simply re-write the intent
> of current law.    The first "anchor" for implementation of anything is to
> surmount the law as it sits right now.    Either by Congressional action, 
> or
> by administratively bypassing it.
>
> The current administration has demonstrated in several other areas they 
> are
> willing to coordinate completely bypassing the legislative process, and
> regulate via "administrative rule".   IE, agencies simply write new rules
> that force the intent of the administration, even if it conflicts with
> current law, or has no basis in law.     There's considerable example and
> evidence of this, by the EPA and other agencies.
>
> It would be my estimate that this is the approach the FCC will try - and 
> it
> is coordinated directly, but unofficially, from the White House.   This
> approach has mixed support and resistance in Congress.   Some of the
> Democrats would prefer this, rather than Congress taking up a 
> controversial
> topic.   However, it is legally "iffy".   And, there's a majority in
> Congress which is mostly Republicans and some Democrats who actually 
> oppose
> the FCC attempting to simply rule by fiat.   It's a "turf" thing, 
> actually.
> Few in Congress are strongly supportive of enterprise, and the resistance 
> is
> mostly about Congress objecting to the FCC usurping their role.
>
> Thus, it would seem to be a poor strategy to rely on Congressional efforts
> or even lobbying Congress to proactively act - though it should be done - 
> to
> oppose the FCC, perhaps by proactive legislation, to block the FCC from
> doing any of this.     It's a poor strategy to depend on it happening, but
> that happening would be probably the best possible outcome - assuming the
> law passed would protect our freedom to be in business and STAY 
> unregulated.
>
> As I said above, there are some key pins on which this whole thing 
> revolves,
> and it has been pointed out, that USF funding - and a re-write of that tax
> and spending is key.    It's the "carrot and stick" approach.   Not quite
> the traditional meaning, but the carrot used to get you closer or to 
> agree,
> so you'll get close enough to beat with the stick.
>
> So, MONEY is the key.    If there is no MONEY to buy your acceptance with,
> there is near universal industry opposition to regulation.    In that
> situation, we could be political allies with, and benefit from the 
> lobbying
> warchests of a wide array of players in the telecom and internet 
> industries,
> as well as a wide array of both ideological and even some "progressive"
> institutions.
>
> As long as there is money on the table - as long as any administration or
> agency or even Congress has the means to buy off resistance - there is no
> reliable massive block of resistance.   As was pointed out in other 
> emails,
> an alliance with small and rural CLEC's and others is going to be shaky,
> because if the regulators put money on the table for them, they abandon 
> the
> "common defense" and we're on our own.
>
> For that matter, WISPA's membership and even just the readership of this
> list is extremely and deeply divided.   There are those who see the 
> purpose
> of WISPA as one to lobby to repurpose or redirect the flow of that money 
> to
> them.    Yet, as pointed out later in the discussions on this list, that
> very funding means is going to be extremely anti-competitive, and result 
> in
> near monopolies by area, region, etc.    Support for USF funding to ISP's 
> is
> 100% at cross purposes to the best interests of our industry's many
> individual members.
>
> WISPA has finally reached that point where it is no longer able to bridge
> this gap.   The gap is wide enough, the fence tall enough, or whatever
> metaphor you wish to choose, so that the choice literally has to be made.
> WISPA leadership has attempted diplomatically to attempt to tread both
> paths, but now they diverge.     Either WISPA advocates for a patently
> anti-competitive industry subsidy, or else it become against such subsidy
> altogether.    There is no future point where this straddling again 
> narrows
> and the leadership can advocate both for USF money subsidy and still claim
> to be for ALL WISP's, and for the interests of all us in a free and
> competitive market.
>
> At this point, since WISPA is "representative" of its members, it's time 
> to
> ask the members which way they wish to go, and ADOPT IT OFFICIALLY. 
> Stop
> dissembling between completely opposing ideas - advocacy for the permanent
> subsidy USF funding has become as opposed to the free market, free
> enterprise competitive marketplace we MUST HAVE TO THRIVE.
>
> I would be remiss in not at least attempting to advocate for an
> alternative - as we know, Congress likes "reform",  but HATES "ending"
> anything.   So, we advocate for - and this advocacy can and would gain 
> near
> universal support from almost all players, as most are rational enough to
> see the wisdom in it.    It is also self extinguishing - meaning it is 
> both
> responsible and attractive politically.
>
> I'm not going to broach the "POTS" element of USF, only the conceptual
> notion of subsidizing broadband deployment - presuming this a mix of
> congressional funding, USF funding, or other, or any or even none of 
> those.
>
> First, we need to recognize that both middle and final mile are at issue, 
> in
> terms of broadband for areas which currently lack it, or have 
> uncompetitive
> or excessively priced services.    Second, that "satellite" is fully 
> outside
> the realm of any of this, that satellite is not eligible for, nor
> qualifiable for,  solid infrastructurally sound broadband delivery.
>
> Next, we need to address fundamental questions - Ideas must be sellable to
> Congress, they must obtain at least a modicum of support,  and they should
> be equitable to all - putting free market principles to work.    It must 
> not
> institute permanent subsidy, which discourages the establishment of 
> business
> models which are fundamentally sound WITHOUT public money.
>
> I would suggest the following approach, that is two-pronged.   One, is to
> implore Congress to block the FCC from implementing regulation of ISP's.
> Although it's ideologically tepid support,  the idea has, at the moment,
> considerable appeal to probably a large enough majority to make it
> veto-proof.    Especially, if it is combined with a proposal to "reform"
> something and prevent yet another permanent subsidy of poor business
> practices.     It would have widespread public support - including the TEA
> Party movement, and a huge array of think tanks, conservative activists
> groups, and industry lobbying groups outside of even our industry.
>
> So, should WISPA officially adopt the idea that direct and permanent 
> subsidy
> be opposed, period, this can go forward, with support from probably every
> member and definitely gain widespread WISP support, since it is sensible 
> and
> at the same time, defends our long term interests.
>
> 1.   That USF funding in the form and concept in which it exists now never
> apply to ANY internet service.
> 2.   That any "national broadband plan" never include any similar 
> approach,
> which has proven to create long-term intractable monopolies built on
> inefficient business models and deep and permanent taxpayer subsidy.
> 3.   That internet services be permanently left as private and unregulated
> businesses - except for those which exist by state, federal, or other
> franchise or legal establishment.   For instance, no company with a "cable
> tv" franchise in a town could ever be eligible for any subsidy of any 
> kind,
> in any place, ever.   It's already a monopoly.   It, too, would not be
> protected from regulation, as it concerns rates, net neutrality, etc.
> 4.  No ILEC is ever eligible for any subsidy within the boundaries of it's
> incumbency, whether it is expanding broadband to unserved portions of its
> incumbency or not.    Whether or not CLEC status should be included should
> be a subject of debate.
> 5.  That any financial incentive consist solely as a refundable tax rebate
> per consumer serviced per month,  with the consumers being defined as 
> those
> who reside in an area currently without broadband, or in an area where
> infrastructure does not currently exist to serve at least 95% of all
> residences within that area.    Area definition should be tied to local
> trade areas.    Consumers would be defined as customers of the ISP, be it
> residential, business, or organization - like schools, businesses, or even
> other ISP's.
> 6.  Rebate eligibility expires upon:   2 years after a 3rd provider or 2nd
> "different" technology covers at least 95% of all consumers within the
> defined areas.    ( example,  DSL access is limited to a smallish rural
> area, so the 1st and 2nd WISP can both claim rebates per consumer, but the
> DSL provider cannot unless it expands to reach 95% of the people.   WISP's
> cannot qualify EITHER, unless or until they can cover 95%.   Even if 2
> WISP's fully cover,  rebates continue until a third joins  - then the
> trigger allows that WISP subsidy for 2 years,, or the telco rolls out
> universal DSL, at which the telco and WISP's continue for 2 years and then
> expires.   Even if one/any/all go out of business after this threshold is
> crossed, the expiration is permanent,)
> 7.  No ISP which opts out of eligibility or competes in any market without
> eligibility can have its services regulated.    "net neutrality" and other
> such schemes can only apply to subsidized, uncompetitive markets.   When 
> the
> market is competitive by being served by at least 2 technologies and 3
> providers, at near "universal" coverage, then no provider regulation is
> needed.
> 8.  Middle mile providers who serve ISP's who qualify for incentive 
> rebates
> are also eligible for rebate per consumer serviced by qualified ISP's who
> participate.    Up to two middle mile providers per ISP can claim subsidy.
> Middle mile providers would be defined as non-ILEC providers of bandwidth
> who do not sell connections to residential or otherwise retail individual
> customers.   "Net neutrality" and other regulation can apply to middle 
> mile
> providers, too- if they claim any eligible rebates.
> 9.  ISP's who build their own "middle mile" by moving data more than 30
> statute miles (not path, but just distance) to get to a non-ILEC 
> connection
> could also qualify for tax rebates, but would be required to provide 
> minimal
> markup interconnection or bandwidth to other ISP's in the same trade area,
> subject to how much capacity exists vs use.   (distance should be debated)
> 10.  That ALL infrastructure investment be fully expensable -as in 100%
> write-off in year one, as it concerns taxes.    Basically, that puts every
> ISP in the position of being able to write off and not be taxed on growing
> or expansion.    This should be permanent tax policy for EVERYONE,
> everywhere.
>
> This conceptual idea is technology agnostic.    It recognizes that 
> UNIVERSAL
> coverage is really a phantom, because we do live in a country with totally
> isolated pockets of humanity.    It recognizes that permanent subsidy is
> both unwise and unworkable.   It encourages competitive behavior, 
> rational
> business plans based on other than subsidized revenues.    It preserves a
> very small level of subsidy for the truly isolated, even promotes
> competition within it.
>
> This idea recognizes and codifies that subsidy = threat of regulation and
> that free markets with a competitive environment do NOT need any 
> regulation
> to provide workable services to consumers.
>
> This expires the vast amount of subsidy all by itself, with built in
> incentives to reach the point where it expires.
>
> It allows operators to opt out and be unregulated,  even if they're in a
> qualified area, and their coverage has no impact on the subsidy
> qualifications.    No pay, no pain.
>
> It gives Congress an additional incentive to permanently block the FCC's
> ideas, and yet at the same time, address specific concerns as it relates 
> to
> net neutrality.
>
> I believe this idea to be sellable to a wide array of interests - both
> political and industry.   It is sellable to the public - who is currently
> very mindful of where the government's money is being "blown".     There 
> is
> no incentive to game the system.   Providers are not encouraged to get the
> money up front and provide mediocre services.    There is no risk, it does
> not put public money at risk, it does not indebt providers.
>
> It provides incentive to build more middle mile, even competitive middle
> mile, with at least a couple of years of enhanced revenue to pay down the
> capital costs, maybe more.
>
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Rick Harnish" <rharn...@wispa.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 10:41 AM
> To: <memb...@wispa.org>; <motor...@afmug.com>; "'WISPA General List'"
> <wireless@wispa.org>
> Subject: [WISPA] How the FCC Proposes the Regulate Broadband
>
>> * FCC Proposes a THIRD WAY to Regulate Broadband
>>
>> * Appeal Comcast decision
>>
>> * Not likely to succeed as the vote was 3-0 in favor of Comcast
>>
>> * Go to Congress and get specific authority
>>
>> * Too long of a process
>>
>> * 1. Reinforce its ancillary authority argument
>>
>> * Suggested by the Court but not considered by the FCC because of
>> scope issues.
>>
>> * 2. Reclassify Internet communications as telecommunications service
>> to restore direct authority over Broadband communication networks
>> * 3.  THIRD WAY - Move all Broadband Internet access service to Title
>> II and lightly regulate this service
>>
>> * Who is the Target?
>>
>> * Rural Carriers offer Broadband Internet access service as a Title II
>> telecommunications service (no effect)
>> * RBOC's, wireless, cable and Broadband over powerline providers offer
>> Broadband Internet access Service as Title 1.
>>
>> * These are the providers that will be subject to Title II regulations
>> * These entities can and will push back very hard
>>
>> * Purpose of the THIRD WAY
>>
>> * The Third Way isn't about Network Neutrality.
>>
>> * The proposed Title II regulation of Broadband Internet access
>> service does not regulate or control the entire transport to the Internet
>> cloud
>>
>> * The Third Way IS about regulation of last mile Broadband for other
>> purposes.
>>
>> * "At the outset, it must be made absolutely clear that the issue of
>> reclassification goes far beyond our open Internet proceeding.  It
>> involves
>> some of the most important parts of our National Broadband Plan -
>> universal
>> service, privacy, transparency, and cyber security.  Without
>> reclassification, the road to achieving each of those issues is laden 
>> with
>> land mines and likely to fail."  Commissioner Mignon Clyburn - May 11,
>> 2010
>>
>> * Propsed Regulations
>>
>> * Section 201
>>
>> * Requires Internet providers to interconnect and charge reasonable
>> rates
>>
>> * Section 202
>>
>> * Prevents price and service discrimination
>>
>> * Section 208
>>
>> * Sets up FCC Complaint processes
>>
>> * Section 222
>>
>> * Protects customer privacy and proprietary commercial information
>>
>> * Section 254
>>
>> * Allows use of Universal Service Fund for Broadband
>>
>> * Section 255
>>
>> * Ensures disability access
>>
>> * Problems with the Third Way
>>
>> * Major push back on this approach by the target providers (not Title
>> II presently)
>> * Problem achieving the goal of the reform - The Third Way doesn't
>> deliver Network Neutrality for example.
>>
>> * Effective regulation of Broadband has to include "customer-to-cloud"
>> transmission.  This approach only addresses the last mile and ignores the
>> middle mile transmission.
>> * Avoids regulation of any services provided over the transmission.
>> * Effort is initiated to ensure Net Neutral principles.  However, the
>> management of the pipe does not need to be with the pipe provider, 
>> instead
>> it can be with the ISP managing and controlling the middle mile to the
>> Internet
>> * The effort includes USF reform
>>
>> * Section 254 requires that USF be used for telecom service.  If
>> Broadband isn't a telecom service, the whole notion of USF reform can't
>> happen easily under the NBP.
>>
>> * Next Steps for Title "I.V"
>>
>> * FCC will issue a Notice of Inquiry (NOI) on the matter.
>> * FCC has announced that it will move straight to a Declaratory Ruling
>> after the NOI.
>> * FCC has to create a record that allows the reversal of numerous
>> prior decisions.
>> * This will be a very complicated process
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>>
>>
>> Rick Harnish
>>
>> President
>>
>> WISPA
>>
>> 260-307-4000 cell
>>
>> 866-317-2851 WISPA Office
>>
>> Skype: rick.harnish.
>>
>> rharn...@wispa.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
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