Who is your upstream provider? Any issues with them passing the V6? Been thinking of making that jump but it seems to be a bastard scheme. Gets no respect. Any major issues?
Bob- -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 3:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP We've been using v6 internally for about a year. We've recently begun providing v6 to select customers; usually the ones with /26 or more of v4 address space. At that size they're usually technically competent, and thus ready to start migrating. -- Blake Covarrubias On Aug 3, 2010, at 6:04 AM, Robert West wrote: > How long have been using the v6? > > Bob- > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:55 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP > > I wasn't aware so many WISPs charge for static and/or public IPs. > > We have a /19 and /21 IPv4 allocation, and a /32 v6 allocation. All > customers get dynamic, possibly changing, public IPs. We charge for a > consistent public IP. > > NAT causes too many potential headaches for us to even bother with it. > > -- > Blake Covarrubias > > On Aug 2, 2010, at 7:31 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: > >> True. Sounds like a bandwidth hog to me. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 2, 2010, at 8:46 PM, "Mike" <m...@aweiowa.com> wrote: >> >>> Simple analysis might expose that customer to be one you'd rather let go. >>> Or not. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On Behalf Of John Thomas >>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:27 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP >>> >>> And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I >>> would find a new ISP. The most I have ever seen charged was $5 a month. >>> >>> John >>> >>> Kurt Fankhauser <k...@wavelinc.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Everything i keep coming up with to make this work "ideal" >>>> according to > the >>> >>>> customer is I"m gonna have to sell them a public ip for $10/month > *grins* >>>> and then make sure their CPE is in bridge mode and assign that >>>> static to >>> the >>>> customers router so they can enable UPnP themselves. >>>> >>>> -Kurt Fankhauser >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP >>>> >>>> >>>>> Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM? >>>>> >>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Adam Kennedy > <adamkenn...@omnicity.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> I would agree that it is a security hole for an ISP. UPnP would >>>>>> let me >>> do >>>>>> my own forwards for just about any port I want, including SSH, >>>>>> telnet >>> and >>>>>> web. For that matter, I could just be selfish and port map every >>>>>> port from 1024 through 65535 to my IP, completely killing access >>>>>> to anyone else. >>>>>> >>>>>> In an ISP environment, the best option really is to disable UPnP >>>>>> if > you >>>>>> are doing NAT. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Adam Kennedy >>>>>> Network Engineer >>>>>> Omnicity, Inc. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>>>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On >>>>>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:43 AM >>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP >>>>>> >>>>>> Man that sucks. We turn off upnp on ALL routers. I've always been >>>>>> told that it's a big security hole. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thoughts on that? >>>>>> marlon >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:29 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT. >>>>>> >>>>>> When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes. I >>>>>> have it marked as 4.6 with modifications (it was an unofficial >>>>>> 4.6 they gave me) so I would say 4.7 or higher should enable Xbox >>>>>> upnp. Even this requires a public IP on the Mikrotik to remove >>>>>> even nice strict (I think it's called open?). >>>>>> >>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>> <k...@wavelinc.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and >>>>>>> bark to you about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is >>>>>>> very picky about being behind any NAT device and its ability to >>>>>>> make connections to other servers. >>>>>>> From what I gathered is that the LIVE service uses Universal >>>>>>> Plug and Play >>>>>>> (UPnP) to get around this but the question I have is. If your >>>>>>> doing masquerade on a Mikrotik Core Router should you enable >>>>>>> UPnP on that device? >>>>>>> Or should I just issue public IP's to the customer that games >>>>>>> and let them worry about it? And if you have UPnP enabled on the >>>>>>> core router and >>> then >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> a double-NAT through the customers Linksys router with UPnP >>>>>>> enable > does >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> not work because of the double-NAT? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>> WAVELINC >>>>>>> P.O. Box 126 >>>>>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>>>>>> 419-562-6405 >>>>>>> www.wavelinc.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ >>> ---- >>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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