I have zero issues with Time Warner in respect with reselling. I REFUSE to resell in an area where they or DSL are available because if someone in that area wants our service because the issue is they have been SHUTOFF by another service provider for NON-PAYMENT! You fail, sorry, No service.
I stick with that policy like concrete. Bob- -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 5:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. FWIW.... if you are in Charter Cable Territory..... you might consider joining FISPA...for their program.. Charter is more than happy to sell (For re-sale or own use) Charter Cable Connections across the Charter Territories. Along with Fiber & their new product "Ethernet over Coax"..... (virtual Ethernet connections ). Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet& Telecom On 8/4/2010 11:54 PM, Robert West wrote: > I have at least 4 business class connections as well as the fiber but > just make sure you have written permission from their sales department > or at least acknowledgement that you are in the business of reselling the access. > Any salesperson will give you that, they just want the sale. It gets > you around their TOS. > > But keep in mind that it's not dedicated, it's already shared access > so way less customers per MB on it. And your ping times suffer from the get go. > > > Bob- > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 5:17 PM > To: motor...@afmug.com > Cc: wireless@wispa.org > Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. > > Man, I wish I had a hosting center close. I am trying to get an idea > of how many are actually using wholesale bandwidth compared to > DSL/CABLE connections. Some cable providers actually let you resale > their business class connections. My partner and I were discussing the > pro's and con's of using a Cable business class connection. Money > wise, it's a no brainer. I can get a 10 meg connection for around > $100/mth and I am paying a little over $1000/mth for 6 meg Metro-E at > the moment. The problems I see is they will only give you about 5 > public IP's and what would happen if they get blacklisted/blocked/etc... and how fast will outages be fixed. > > I know I have seen posts from many WISPs on afmug and wispa lists that > were using DSL/Cable connections for their sources. I thought this > survey might give an idea of the ratio that are using them. > > For the survey, just put Hosting Center in other or group it with the > first option. > > Here are the results so far: > > 1. Who do you use as a backbone provider? By this, a means of > transporting your users data to a medium that eventually connects to > the nationwide backbone. > > A national, regional, or local backbone provider that provides T1(DS1) > or NxT1(DS1), DS3 or subset, Metro-E, Fiber, etc.. such as AT&T, > Qwest, Sprint, etc... That provide you with at least a class C of > public addresses or you can use your own. > 82.4% 28 > Using a competitor's or non-competitor's service such as (business or > home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection, that was meant for a single user > account, and normally assigns less than 5 public IP's to > you...(Ignoring usage policies of your provider). > 2.9% 1 > Other (please specify) > 14.7% 5 > 1. a local provider AND competitor's or non-competitor's service such > as > (business or home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection that is meant for > multi-residential use. > 2. Two separate Hosting Centers > 3. Local utility company that aggregates ATT Lightcore, Sprint and > UUNET > 4. we are our own provider with our own ip range > 5. Datacenter that has their own fiber where I get a /23 > > > 2. If you are using the second answer or other... cable, ftth, or dsl, > or other for backbone you are more than likely providing NAT to all or > most of your customers. What are your plans when your public IP's gets > banned, blacklisted, and CALEA request, etc...? > > 1. Contract excludes banned IP's and IP's are forwarded for our > management > including CALEA > 2. The two hosting centers are two different companies and each has > 3-10 > first tier providers they 'blend' on BGP. We buy at around $12-$20 per Mbps. > We have our own ARIN Public IP's, but the providers handle BGP and we > just take two redundant GigE ethernets to their routers (we use VRRP > for redundancy from there). > > Thanks for participating guys. > > Scottie Arnett > > >> We have a selection that maybe should be on your list: Hosting Center. >> >> We buy bandwidth and rent rooftop space for PTP/PtMP from two >> separate Hosting companies in two separate valleys. We've tied them >> into our rings of backhauls for complete redundancy. >> >> Hosting Centers are great because they typically host outgoing >> bandwidth and are sitting on lots of unused incoming bandwidth (which >> they have on commit CIR). So we buy under their own rate because >> essentially we are using bandwidth they aren't using and can't sell >> > anyways. > >> And these guys are usually really easy to work with, have awesome >> facilities for rack space cheap and have plenty of access to public >> IP space on multiple providers in a blend for redundancy. >> >> They just give us a pair of redundant GigE copper hand-offs. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: motor...@afmug.com [mailto:motor...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of >> Scottie Arnett >> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 1:03 AM >> To: motor...@afmug.com >> Cc: wireless@wispa.org >> Subject: [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. >> >> I have made a quick survey on surveymonkey that collects data about >> your bandwidth sources. I will post the data collected in a week. It >> basically addresses if your primary connection to the Internet >> backbone is through a wholesale provider or if you are using a >> connection such as business or cable class DSL or cable for >> connection. All responses appreciated. >> >> http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/PPWSC6J >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Official list of the Animal Farm Motorola Users Group - www.afmug.com >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Official list of the Animal Farm Motorola Users Group - www.afmug.com >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > ---- > WISPA Wants You! 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