What I of for faxing is use vitelitys fax service. It comes in to my email as 
PDF case closed. Outbound I got fax working from my machine or I send it via 
the Vitelity fax portal. 

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> On Apr 2, 2014, at 6:18 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> I havent got my tech to log what he has done so far. Lines will connect to 
> and from remote fax machines, no handshake apparently, no talky over the 
> devices. I will be more descriptive shortly. Sucks that he is four hours 
> away and a rookie compared to me with telephony, not that I am much better 
> haha
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Fred Goldstein
> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 5:08 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT Fax over Voip
> 
>> On 4/2/2014 5:24 PM, Nathan Anderson wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, April 02, 2014 6:55 AM, Fred Goldstein <> wrote:
>>> 
>>> But in addition to that, I STRONGLY recommend a separate VLAN for the
>>> voice-grade channels.  With priority, or reserved bandwidth. TCP/IP in
>>> normal operation manages its flow rate by having packets thrown away;
>>> that's why the 1G LAN port on your PC doesn't blast a whole file at 1G
>>> into a 2M link.  It uses packet loss as a signal. TCP applications
>>> retransmit and actual human voice is intelligible with some gaps, but
>>> modems, including fax, are very unhappy.
>> Do note that RTP is implemented over UDP, not TCP, so in VoIP, a dropped 
>> audio packet is a lost audio packet, not a delayed or even out-of-order 
>> audio packet (although those other two things can happen...they just 
>> aren't a result of retransmits, or at least not a retransmit initiated by 
>> Layer 4).
> I guess my grammar was a bit rough there!  So you're of course right.
> TCP applications retransmit.  (period) Actual human voice (which doesn't
> retransmit, as it can't wait) is intelligible some gaps.  Modes,
> however, including fax, are very unhappy with gaps.
> 
> 
> And stressing Nathan's previous note ("*what* doesn't work?"), this may
> be one of those *rare* occasions when a video (YouTube anyone?) might
> actually help.  Although the audio alone is more important. If we could
> (see and) hear the call being dialed by the originating fax, hear what
> the ring sequence sounded like, and heard the response, with the speaker
> belching the CNG tone all along, it might help identify the problem.
> 
> But really, fax and VoIP don't get along very well unless you really
> tune the VoIP network up to support it.
> 
> And I know how some faxes are picky.  My office fax line sat here
> virtually unused for years, but my wife needs to receive faxes
> regularly.  Her fax is on a Comcast PacketCable (they call it VoIP but
> it's really managed VuIP) line that is shared with her office phone and
> answering machine.  My fax (both are Brothers) can send hers a fax.  The
> answering machine gives its spiel, starts to listen, then the fax hears
> CNG and cuts off the answering machine and sends modem tones.  Just like
> it's supposed to work.  But the fancy new fax server system at the
> courthouse just won't send to it.  (Nor will some sizeable fraction of
> other machines.) It will send to mine, which isn't shared with an
> answering machine, but not one that is.  Picky picky.  Fax is like that.
> 
> -- 
>  Fred R. Goldstein      k1io     fred "at" interisle.net
>  Interisle Consulting Group
>  +1 617 795 2701
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