On 12/1/2014 8:48 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
5150 != DFS.


That's right, which is why it's +41 rather than +30. That number from the actual FCC approval that the NanoBridge M got for U-NII-1. The allowable maximum power is gated by the out-of-band EIRP at 5150, which has to be -27 dBm/MHz, a very stringent standard. That's why the technical U-NII-1 EIRP PTP limit of +53 dBm is never met, and why there's a petition to fix the rule. I think I saw one vendor radio get approval for +48 though, probably not using the same Atheros chipset.

From the NanoBridge 5M's recent approval:

FCC ID: SWX-NBM5D
(SWXNBM5D, SWX NBM5D)
Application: 802.11n 2x2 MIMO
Application Type: Class II permissive change or modification of presently authorized equipment
Equipment Class: II - Unlicensed National Information Infrastructure TX
Date: 08/04/2014
Operating Frequencies:
Grant Notes     FCC Rule Parts  Frequency
Range (MHZ)     Output
Watts   Frequency
Tolerance       Emission
Designator
41 CC MO ND     *15E*   *5255.0*  - *5340.0*    *0.0004*        **      **
41 CC MO ND     *15E*   *5475.0*  - *5595.0*    *0.0003*        **      **
41 CC MO ND     *15E*   *5665.0*  - *5715.0*    *0.0003*        **      **
41 CC MO ND     *15E*   *5265.0*  - *5320.0*    *0.0014*        **      **
41 CC MO ND     *15E*   *5500.0*  - *5580.0*    *0.0016*        **      **
41 CC MO ND     *15E*   *5660.0*  - *5700.0*    *0.0016*        **      **
41 CC MO ND     *15E*   *5275.0*  - *5310.0*    *0.0015*        **      **
41 CC MO ND     *15E*   *5510.0*  - *5550.0*    *0.0016*        **      **
41 CC MO ND     *15E*   *5670.0*  - *5670.0*    *0.0016*        **      **
39 41 CC MO     *15E*   *5180.0*  - *5240.0*    *0.0396*        **


Note that the first approvals on the list (around -5 dBm) are for operation very close to a band edge (5250 was a band edge at the time; it no longer is.) The U-NII-1 approval begins at 5180. However, XM 5.5.10 does allow the NanoStation to be tuned down lower, or even to 5155 if you set it to 5 MHz. And if you leave on "auto adjust to EIRP limit", it caps the power on the AP side to +36 (the PtMP limit) on 5150-5250, but doesn't enforce the +36 cap on 5725+.

I'm not 100% certain that the test lab was following the rules, though, as there is no band edge to protect at 5725.

*From: *"Fred Goldstein" <f...@interisle.net>
*To: *wireless@wispa.org
*Sent: *Sunday, November 30, 2014 11:23:35 PM
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] 5 ghz backhaul sanity check

On 11/30/2014 11:55 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> I have a link at 6.6 miles with a pair of Rocket M5.  It's at 5765 and
> has worked beautifully for a couple of years now.  It is -55 on each
> side with 2' dishes.
>
> I'm looking at doing another link that's almost identical (one similar
> tower) and my calculations are showing if I use 5660 at 14dbm tx power
> I should see -56.  Does this sound right at all?  6.6 miles seems far
> off the top of my head for the DFS band.

The ERP limit there is +30, so if you're using +14 tx power, then the
antenna gain is only 16 dB or you're noncompliant.  That's what a
NanoStation does on DFS.  A big dish (like the 2 footer, around 30 dB
gain) would still help with receive gain but you would have to turn down
the Rocket to something lower (0 dBm).

UBNT DFS stuff is approved for +41 dBm EIRP or so on the 5150 band, though.

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