Re: Witango-Talk: frames

[Dale E Graham]

There's a HUGE issue with frames for Witango users (as well as for many  
other CGI systems)... if you have frames AND your website is complex  
with a path through it delivered via your application - - - and the  
unfortunate user refreshes a page somewhere in the middle of the  
process - due to the nature of frames, he/she is landed right back at  
the initial page - not good. You can do the extra work to program  
around this (via variables) but it's easier just to dispense with  
frames for complex websites utilizing CGIs.

On Dec 31, 2003, at 6:25 PM, Scott Cadillac wrote:

Oh boy, this should be a fun thread 8-)

Having a rare community of programmers that is complimented with  
probably
equal portions of Mac, Windows and some Linux/Solaris Users - you're  
going
to get about 40 different answers I bet.

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Well...here goes my 3 cents.
~~ I think the technical reasons for "not" using Frames has long since  
gone
away.

Having said that, you need to use them properly. For example, when  
your site
gets crawled by Google (or other lesser search engines) use the META  
HTML
elements, like so:

<meta name="Description" content="The description to show in a Google
Listing, because frame pages don't have text.">
Otherwise, your site will have no text when displayed in a Google  
listing.
Checkout the top 3 sites at http://www.google.com/search?q=Witango -  
these
sites are using frames, but have no "Description" element.

Or at least put a meaningful description in <NOFRAMES></NOFRAMES>.  
There is
nothing funnier than seeing a site listed in Google with a description  
of
"Get a better browser bozo!" - I want to do business with that guy!!!

Many search engines actually use the META elements, so it's worth some
research to boost your ranking (frames or not).
From here, Frames can help with the speed of your site, because not  
all your
content has to be downloaded with every page request.

Design wise, your decision can depend on the use of the site if it has  
a
complex menu that is a tricky to reload and reset for users.

As far as search ability by Google and others, I found my site to be  
very
well indexed with frames - no complaints by me.

But of course I did just recently change over to a non-frame design,  
just
because.

Good luck. Cheers.....

Scott Cadillac,
XML-Extranet - http://xmlx.ca
403-281-6090 - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well-formed Development
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Extranet solutions using C# .NET, Witango, MSIE and XML




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	From: Alan Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
	Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 3:54 PM
	To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
	Subject: Witango-Talk: frames
	
	
	around the net you hear alot of dislike for frames on pages, is it
just cause people dislike the style or is there some good technical  
reasons
why frames are not so great?
	
	Figured this was a good place to ask, all of us being familiar w/
HTML, but sorry if this is off topic (:
	
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