did *use* tango
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On Oct 21, 2008, at 4:34 PM, Robert Garcia wrote:
Apple did you tango for a bit for part of their system, many moons
ago, don't remember which now. Many moons ago, before jobs second
coming.
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Robert Garcia
President - BigHead Technology
VP Application Development - eventpix.com
13653 West Park Dr
Magalia, Ca 95954
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On Oct 21, 2008, at 4:04 PM, Driscoll, Kevin wrote:
Its really a Shane that a large company like Ummm apple could see
the promise of a product like this
We support our company using witango and I am not a programmer by
any means but I have done very rapid applications and reporting
that has made me come to love the product
And I know that I don't know a 10th of what it could do
Just a shame
Kevin
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From: Robert Garcia
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Sent: Tue Oct 21 18:56:11 2008
Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Comments
I remember you on the tango talk list when I was a fledgling. And
Jess also.
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Robert Garcia
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On Oct 21, 2008, at 3:45 PM, Stephen Smith wrote:
For those of you that don't know me, I may possibly be the
person with the longest history with Witango/Tango that is still
currently reading the list. If I don't have the most seniority
here, I am in the top 2 or 3.
I started as the first official Tango Technical Support
person in November of 1995, thirteen years ago next month (anyone
superstitious?). It was Tango 1.0 for the Mac only. It would only
connect to Butler, and that was through Butler's native
connectivity. ODBC and the Windows version would not come until the
spring of 1996. In my collection, I still have a set of the
original Butler install floppies that included Tango 1.0.
I was with EveryWare then Pervasive in a variety of roles
until the announcement in June of 2000. I worked for another
company after that, then launched Oakbridge in late 2001 but
continued to use the product. In fact my first reaction when we
were given the news by Pervasive wasn't that I was out of a job, it
was that I was losing the development tool that I had come to rely
on. I was grateful that With picked it up. During my time with
EveryWare/Pervasive, I was support, a sales engineer, support
again, alternate trainer (I helped create the original training
course with Mike Young), and finally Professional Services. For the
almost 5 years, I lived and breathed Tango. I was also the "list
Mom" for the original Tango Talk for a number of years.
I haven't posted to the list in months. I have done nothing
in Witango for at least a year now, having switched my focus to
consulting on Daylite, and developing solutions using FileMaker. I
have continued to follow the list as my own site is still running
under Tango 2000 and I do still receive a couple of calls per year
from orphaned users who in most cases have inherited a solution
from someone else in their organization. I'd love to get back into
Witango Development but...
In my opinion, the product is in almost the same state as
WebObjects was a couple of years ago, when it still required
licensing fees. It's not dead. It's worse, it is in limbo.
It would be very difficult to objectively spend any money
on new Witango licenses, either the current version or a new
version, given the current lack of any news and failed promises. I
feel both sympathy and anger towards With. Sympathy because if most
of the people added up what they have spent in the form of sales
revenue, (that has gone to With since 2001), it is probably not
enough to support one person for a year. I have bought one
developer license, and that was when I was a reseller purchasing
through a distributor. A few hundred bucks total. I am sure that
some of you have spent a few thousand on server licenses, etc. but
I would be very surprised if the total sales made to all of the
members of the list amounted to $100K.
Yes we have been a very vocal group but how many have
opened up our wallets and if so, was it enough to allow the company
to earn a profit. But...
This is where the anger comes in. I have asked repeatedly
for at least a year about version 6 because I don't want to spend
money on the current version, only to see a new version come out
that required upgrade fees. I'm quite prepared (or at least I was)
to spend money to upgrade both my Development Studio and my Server
but I'm not going to spend money now, only to be told that there is
a new version 6 months later. Sorry but it is just common sense
from a business perspective. So I wait, and wait, and wait. I'm
fortunate, I don't need to change anything, but I'd like to.
My gut feel is that With is now in way over their head. My
guess is that there is little if any Witango license revenue coming
in. Which brings back the sympathy side, how can a company be
expected to continue to develop a product that is not making any
money? But the anger side says how can they expect to sell any
product when they keep their customers in the dark?
I expect that this discussion will die down over the next
few days or weeks, then start back up again in 3-4 months.
Steve Smith
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