I agree with you, on a continuum of centralized <---> decentralized, I am very 
much of the same mind set as you.   However I do see an opprotunity/need to 
slide down that line a little bit and decentralize some of the simpler aspects 
of the installs ( support files xcopy type pattern ) and I see a WiX based tool 
that plugs into VS, MSBuild and has simplified designers as the way to go.
   
  Thanks,
  Chris

Matthew Janulewicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
        v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}  o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}  
w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}  .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}        
        I’ve never worked anywhere that the developers *wanted* to have 
anything to do with installers. No offence to developers in general, but it’s 
an easy thing to screw up and they have bigger fish to fry. I find when you 
have too many cooks in that kitchen they inevitably step on each other, and 
someone ends up having to re-check the work. Installers are a quirky thing and 
I wouldn’t expect all my developers to know the ins and outs of whatever tool 
we happen to be using.
   
  As a CM guy, I usually wrestle away the function of writing the installers 
from whoever has it when I start a new job. When a deployment goes bad, it’s 
usually the CM guy that gets blamed. So it makes sense to me to put it in that 
group, or at the very least have a single author involved in making the 
installers. I’ve worked at one place that was big enough that we had a group 
(okay, two people) that only did installers.
   
  That being said, referring back to the original question, there is a GUI out 
there called WixEdit that has a lot of great functionality and is most 
excellent for constructing your initial installer(s). I used it to make the 
template for all our installers and fire it up once in a while to do tedious 
work (especially editing dialogs with the GUI editor! Sweet!) You should check 
it out. It doesn’t ‘plug in’ to VS, it’s a standalone app, but it’s worth 
looking into.
   
  http://wixedit.sourceforge.net/
   
   
  -Matt
   
      
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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher 
Painter
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 4:31 PM
To: Jared Ashman; Bob Arnson
Cc: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Future of Votive?

   
    Ok, I like this since I think it makes alot of sense for your SCM / staging 
structure to mirror your deployment strucutre.   Is there a switch to Heat that 
tells it to not create a source attribute? 

     

    My developers really aren't interested in doing search/replace,  running 
XML cleanup scripts to remove an attribute from every element or search through 
source code to find a switch that isn't documented in the help.    They need to 
keep it simple so they can add a file and getting back to coding.

Jared Ashman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

    Now that's cool.  Thanks for the tip!
    On 6/10/07, Bob Arnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  Jared Ashman wrote:
> I don't think there's a switch in there currently to do relative
> paths.  Typically that's when I switch to search replace.

You can also omit the Source attribute entirely, if the file is in the 
directory indicated by the Directory element hierarchy and has the same
name. The binder can use the -b switch to Light to determine where to
start looking for files.

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