Hi, >From my point of view the concept to kick the Welcome dialog is ok if there is no additional information than on the default dialog sets. Usability clearly says if something doesn't provide additional information kick it. And (IMO) the Welcome dialog is one of these dialogs as there is not much more information in the Welcome and LicenseAgreement dialog of default UI sets compared to the AdvancedWelcomeEulaDlg from WixUI_Advanced. I mean by default it says "The Setup Wizard will install [ProductName] on your computer. Click Next to continue or Cancel to exit the Setup Wizard.". And the WixUI_Advanced says "Click Install to install the product with default options just for you. Click Advanced to change installation options."
So actually I think AdvancedWelcomeEulaDlg is almost the perfect dialog for starting an installation (IMO the dialog set should be only as a per machine installation set). Maybe to have no information loss here a formulation like "Please accept the License Agreement and click Install to install [ProductName] with the default installation options on your computer. To change installation options click on Advanced. To exit the Setup Wizard click Cancel" might be better. Actually I also click several times each day through the dialog set and also don't care anymore about the number of dialogs the installer shows. But in fact, even this is a well established practice, the users (and here the simplicity, or less mouse clicks, to install an application) should be considered and maybe both dialog sets should be offered. Tobias 2010/11/29 David Watson <dwat...@sdl.com>: > Hi, > We have been following the scheme that Rob is suggesting for a few > years, I think in our main product we are down to two dialogue in most > scenarios. > > We have a welcome/license page and then a ready to install page. > > I have noticed other applications doing this too, Visual studio setup > has lots of information about licensing etc on the initial page. > > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > From: Neil Sleightholm [mailto:n...@x2systems.com] > Sent: 29 November 2010 08:53 > To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Install skips welcome page > > Lack of welcome page is what I find retrograde. I guess it is personal > opinion, I am quite happy with both the welcome and licence dialogs - it > is what other installs do so I prefer not to show my users something > different. Jumping straight to licence just looks odd as I haven't seen > it before and I had to explain the change to testers and tell them it > wasn't a bug. > > (As a side issue I would like to see the licence dialog being optional > in the standard WiX release but that is just so I don't have to code it > myself - it is also something that is regularly requested on the user > list.) > > Neil > > Neil Sleightholm > X2 Systems Limited > n...@x2systems.com <mailto:n...@x2systems.com> > > > ________________________________ > > From: Rob Mensching [mailto:r...@robmensching.com] > Sent: Mon 29/11/2010 00:39 > To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Install skips welcome page > > > > What do you find retrograde? The license page or the lack of welcome > page? > > Personally, I find clicking through a bunch of pages just to get the > install started "retrograde". Wizard'97 was a long time ago, I think we > can move beyond it. > > The first page clearly needs to say what is being installed. Ideally, > the "Install" button should be availble as well. If you have to have a > license before the Install button can do it's thing, then so be it. > After that, progress is probably required (unless your install is fast > enough to not need it). Then, it seems, you still need a final > confirmation whether the install succeeded or failed. I still would like > to push in the direction that instead of a success page that the > application just launch right away (there are problems with that). > > Everything after the above are options and ideally users never have to > deal with them (yes, there are exceptions but try designing your > application to not need them). > > Attached is a picture of the WiX initial install. The title says > "Windows Installer XML Toolset 3.5 Setup" and the title says "Please > read the Windows Installer XML Toolset 3.5 License Agreement". I suppose > we could make the product name flashier or in bigger text. > > In WiX v3.6 the product name is huge and I'm experimenting with the > install experience more. Again, I think clicking "Next" a bunch of times > when there is nothing to do isn't an experience we should strive for. > > > > On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Neil Sleightholm > <n...@x2systems.com>wrote: > >> I don't believe the WiX 3.5 install says what is being installed on >> the licence page in the same way the welcome page does. >> >> The problem I have is that 90% of the installs I write don't need and >> licence page (they are internal apps) - personally I think the licence > >> should be optional but I guess it is too late to do this for 3.5. I >> can't see how to stop this next page function - can it be made > optional? >> >> In my opinion I think this is really confusing and a retrograde step >> but would be interested to see what others think. >> >> Neil >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rob Mensching [mailto:r...@robmensching.com] >> Sent: 28 November 2010 18:02 >> To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. >> Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Install skips welcome page >> >> The license page should also tell you what is being installed. If not, > >> it should. >> >> On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Sean Farrow >> <sean.far...@seanfarrow.co.uk>wrote: >> >> > Hi Neil: >> > I can verify this behaviour, on a newly installing package. As >> > somebody that is visual impaired and relies on alternative output >> > mechanisms, (speech synthesis and Braille) this is very unnerving. >> > Is there a way to disable this behaviour? >> > Cheers >> > Sean. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Neil Sleightholm [mailto:n...@x2systems.com] >> > Sent: 28 November 2010 16:03 >> > To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. >> > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Install skips welcome page >> > >> > I think I see now, if I run an install that is not installed it goes > >> > straight to the licence. If it is installed the Welcome page is >> > shown and you have to click Next to get to other pages. >> > >> > I have to say this doesn't feel right to me, the Welcome page tells >> > you what you are installing and this is lost now. >> > >> > Neil >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Rob Mensching [mailto:r...@robmensching.com] >> > Sent: 28 November 2010 15:21 >> > To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. >> > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Install skips welcome page >> > >> > Bob is the expert in the UI but that behavior sounds correct to me. >> > I've been pushing to get rid of as many clicks in the installation >> > sequence as possible. No reason to have a user click Next on a >> > welcome >> >> > screen unless there is some useful information on the welcome > screen. >> > <smile/> >> > >> > On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 6:49 AM, Neil Sleightholm >> > <n...@x2systems.com>wrote: >> > >> > > Has anyone else noticed installs built with WiX 3.5 jump from the >> > > welcome page to the licence page without you clicking Next? 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